When the Facts Change: An abundance of energy
'Abundance' is the hottest word in the political economy right now all around the world. A book by Derek Thompson and Ezra Klein called Abundance: How we build a better future argues the centre-left should adopt urbanisation and electrification as central aims to improve affordability of housing and transport, rather than framing emissions reduction as an expensive and painful necessity that the right has successfully weaponised into electoral suicide.
This week on When The Facts Change, Bernard Hickey talks to Rewiring Aotearoa about what could be done right now to electrify our transport fleet and the cost of living savings within our grasp.
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