16 celebrities who have spoken about having Lyme disease
It can be difficult to properly diagnose, which many celebrities have spoken about.
Stars like Avril Lavigne and Justin Bieber have shared their experiences with Lyme disease.
In recent years, the medical spotlight has increasingly been shining on Lyme disease, the bacterial tick-borne illness that often comes with a host of vague, mysterious symptoms.
The widespread illness is often considered the "great imitator" because its symptoms typically mimic other health conditions like rheumatoid arthritis, fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome, multiple sclerosis, and others.
Getting a proper Lyme disease diagnosis remains challenging because testing is often inconclusive, potentially leaving those affected to go weeks, months, or years without being correctly treated. Although treatments do exist, there is no cure.
Here are some celebrities who have spoken out about their experiences with Lyme disease, helping to shed light on this mysterious tick-borne illness.
Justin Timberlake shared his diagnosis shortly after wrapping up his world tour.
On Thursday, while wrapping up his world tour, the singer shared his diagnosis in an Instagram post.
"Among other things, I've been battling some health issues, and was diagnosed with Lyme disease -— which I don't say so you feel bad for me —— but to shed some light on what I've been up against behind the scenes," he wrote. "If you've experienced this disease or know someone who has — then you're aware: living with this can be relentlessly debilitating, both mentally and physically."
Timberlake was "shocked" at first, but this diagnosis helped explain some of the "crazy fatigue" and "nerve pain" he'd been feeling.
Though he debated ending his tour early, he wrote, he's glad he chose to keep going. " … I was reluctant to talk about this because I was always raised to keep something like this to yourself," he continued. "But I am trying to be more transparent about my struggles so that they aren't misinterpreted.'"
In 2020, Amy Schumer shared that she'd been diagnosed with Lyme disease.
In September 2020, Schumer shared on Instagram that she has Lyme disease and "maybe had it for years."
Seeing as this disease is the "great imitator" with a range of symptoms, it's possible she could've experienced Lyme symptoms for quite some time without realizing it.
In an Instagram post that same year, the comedian said she was taking doxycycline, an oral antibiotic, to treat the condition, and she also asked others for advice.
Justin Bieber has been open about his experiences with Lyme disease.
In January 2020, the singer wrote on Instagram that it's been a "rough couple of years" battling the disease.
Bieber explained that, for a long time, people speculated that he was "on meth," but failed to realize that he'd actually recently been diagnosed with Lyme disease.
He wrote that he'd also been struggling with "a serious case of chronic mono which affected my skin, brain function, energy, and overall health."
Avril Lavigne is now an advocate for those with the illness.
Lavigne spoke about her struggle with Lyme disease in a June 2015 interview with "Good Morning America," revealing that she'd been bedridden in October 2014.
She called that the "worst time" in her life after seeing specialists and doctors who misdiagnosed her with chronic fatigue syndrome and depression.
In October 2018, the "Complicated" singer told Billboard she felt unwell during her 2014 tour and couldn't get out of bed as her symptoms progressively got worse.
During one of her darkest days battling with side effects of the disease, Lavigne said she wrote her 2018 song "Head Above Water," telling Billboard, "I had accepted that I was dying ... And literally under my breath, I was like, 'God, help me keep my head above the water.'"
She has also started the Avril Lavigne Foundation, which aims to bring awareness to those dealing with Lyme and other serious illnesses and disabilities.
Ben Stiller said he had trouble getting an accurate diagnosis.
In 2011, Stiller told The Hollywood Reporter about his Lyme disease, saying, "I got it in Nantucket, Massachusetts, a couple of years ago. My knee became inflamed and they couldn't figure out what it was, then they found out it was Lyme."
"I'm symptom-free now, but Lyme doesn't ever leave your system. It's a really tough thing," he said.
Shania Twain has said Lyme affected her career.
Twain dominated the pop and country charts in the 1990s and early 2000s, but by 2004, she had issues with her vocal cords, which she attributed to contracting Lyme disease.
In 2017, she told Canadian news outlet CBC that she was bitten by a tick when on tour in Norfolk, Virginia. She said she saw it fall off her, and she immediately began to see troubling Lyme disease symptoms pop up.
"I was on tour, so I almost fell off the stage every night. I was very, very dizzy and didn't know what was going on. It's just one of those things you don't suspect," she added.
It took Twain years to figure out that she had dysphonia, a neurological disorder of the vocal cords in which muscles can spasm and impact speech, which she attributes to the Lyme bacteria.
She now warns others about the disease.
Lyme "is very dangerous because you have a very short window to catch it and then treat it and then even when you treat it, you could still very well be left with effects, which is what happened to me," Twain told CBC. "It's a debilitating disease and extremely dangerous. You can't play around with it, so you've got to check yourself for ticks."
Kelly Osbourne went undiagnosed for nearly a decade.
In her 2017 book "There Is No F*cking Secret: Letters From a Badass Bitch," the former reality star shared she'd unknowingly been battling Lyme disease for years.
She explained that her mom, Sharon, purchased her dad, Ozzy, a reindeer sanctuary for their home in England for his 56th birthday in 2004. She said shortly after she was bitten by a tick, which Ozzy burned off her.
For years after, she experienced "traveling pain," ranging from stomach aches to a sore throat. She said it took quite some time to finally get a Lyme diagnosis.
Osbourne wrote that she was initially afraid to speak publicly about Lyme disease because "it seems like the trendy disease to have right now, and I'm tired of seeing sad celebrities play the victim on the cover of weekly mags," but that she now acts as her own health advocate.
Ally Hilfiger wrote about her experience with the disease in a memoir.
In her book "Bite Me: How Lyme Disease Stole My Childhood, Made Me Crazy, and Almost Killed Me," Hilfiger chronicled her experience with the invisible illness and the all-too-visible symptoms that followed.
In 2016, the designer told Health magazine, "I remember getting bit by a tick and my parents sent it off to the labs. And we got inconclusive tests back."
For 10 years, she said, multiple doctors gave her a variety of diagnoses from fibromyalgia to rheumatoid arthritis. She told the magazine that finally receiving the correct diagnosis felt like she "won the lottery."
The emotional struggles is just as hard as the physical ones, according to the fashion designer.
"One of the biggest issues I think a lot of Lyme sufferers have is that some days you can have good days. And other days you can feel really feel horribly and not be able to get out of bed," she told Health. "And sometimes you start to doubt whether or not you're really feeling what your feeling, if that makes any sense. And you feel disbelieved."
In 2014, Debbie Gibson shared she'd been privately dealing with the illness.
After fans expressed their concern about her appearance in social-media photos, Gibson took to her blog in April 2014 to give an update on her health, sharing she'd begun experiencing Lyme symptoms in early 2013.
She wrote that she first felt anxiety and sensitivity to certain foods, then began feeling unique pain and muscle fatigue she'd never had before.
She added, "I got tested for everything under the sun, though it did not occur to me, or my West Coast doctors, to test for Lyme. It is typically an East Coast thing."
Gibson began losing weight and experiencing symptoms of depression, adding, "I could barely walk. I started feeling numbness and tingling in my hands and feet, which is very disconcerting for a pianist and dancer, to say the least. Night sweats, chills, fever, nerve tremors, nightmares, and migraine headaches were at a fever pitch without a minute of relief."
After a long journey to find the correct diagnosis, the "I Love You" singer was able to begin treatment.
In recent years, she's spoken about learning to manage her symptoms.
"I've learned how to overcome. I've never said I'm struggling with Lyme [disease], I say I'm overcoming Lyme," she told People in 2023. "So, I've really overcome a lot and I just remain diligent and consumed with my body and my mind and it's working."
Alec Baldwin has spoken about experiencing Lyme symptoms.
During a 2011 interview with The New York Times, the "Saturday Night Live" actor mentioned that he had chronic Lyme disease.
Baldwin didn't mention his diagnosis again until 2017 when he spoke onstage at an event benefiting the Bay Area Lyme Foundation.
According to People magazine, he told the crowd he'd been bitten by a tick 17 years prior and was bitten again a few years later.
"I got the classic Lyme disease (symptoms) for each successive summer, for five years, every August, like [these] black lung, flu-like symptoms, sweating to death in my bed," he said.
"The first time was the worst of all," he recalled. "And I really thought, 'This is it, I'm not going to live.' ... I was lying in bed saying, 'I'm going to die of Lyme disease,' in my bed.'"
He said he and his wife, Hilaria, remain vigilant about checking their dogs and children for ticks.
Jamie-Lynn Sigler said she was diagnosed with Lyme disease and multiple sclerosis within a short period.
When Sigler was 19 years old and starring on HBO's hit "The Sopranos," she learned she had Lyme disease.
Shortly after, in 2016, she told People magazine, "I was diagnosed with MS (multiple sclerosis) when I was 20 years old. It was a shock, it was surprising."
"I had been diagnosed with Lyme disease the year before, so to get the diagnosis was confusing, and also strange because I didn't feel sick. I didn't feel that anything was wrong."
She'd taken antibiotics, a standard course of treatment for early-stage Lyme, "and things had started to go away," she said.
Sigler now advocates on behalf of those with chronic illnesses.
Daryl Hall has spoken about Lyme disease and tick bites.
In 2005, the duo Hall and Oates canceled a tour, sharing that Hall had been diagnosed with Lyme disease.
In 2011, Hall spoke about his experiences, explaining how he contracted the disease and his journey to health.
"I got it the way everybody gets it," he said. "I've lived in the country for many, many years ... it's a hotbed of deer and other wildlife animals. I'd been bitten over the years so many times and I think it finally reached a critical mass and I crashed and burned about five years ago."
He said he experienced a wide range of ailments, from allergies and fever-like symptoms to aches, pains, and tremors. After being tested, he learned he had "six or seven tick-borne diseases."
Hall said he saw a Lyme literate doctor who helped treat him and advised individuals with constantly changing symptoms "to get tested for Lyme disease because the symptoms mimic so many other things."
Thalía Mottola began feeling ill during pregnancy in 2007.
Mottola spent most of the 1990s and early 2000s dominating the Latin music charts, but in 2007, at the end of her first pregnancy, the "No Me Acuerdo" singer began feeling unwell.
By the time she gave birth, she was unknowingly dealing with a full-blown case of Lyme disease.
In her 2011 memoir "Growing Stronger," she explained that doctors tried to convince her she was suffering from postpartum depression, writing, "I continued to feel like I had been run over by a truck that had dragged me for a thousand miles, along with a steamroller that had crushed every last bone in my body. I literally thought I was dying."
When she found the energy to research online, she started seeing Lyme specialists, eventually undergoing two years of "heavy treatments."
Kathleen Hanna dealt with Lyme disease symptoms for over a decade before being properly diagnosed.
Hanna stepped away from her band, Le Tigre, in 2005, citing personal health issues as the reason for her hiatus.
Years later, she attributed those issues to an undiagnosed case of Lyme disease.
After multiple misdiagnoses — from multiple sclerosis to lupus and panic attacks — she saw a 2008 documentary called "Under Our Skin" about the Lyme epidemic and realized that a tick bite she got in 2005 could still be causing her health problems, even though she'd been treated with a standard course of antibiotics for Lyme disease at the time.
She experienced debilitating symptoms over the course of several years that made her unable to move or speak at times, and she began to heal after two years of "intensive therapy," according to The New York Times.
Yolanda Hadid is one of the most outspoken celebrity voices spreading awareness of the disease.
Hadid was a cast member on "The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills" in 2012, but viewers didn't know that behind the scenes, she was dealing with symptoms of chronic Lyme disease.
In the past decade, she's become known as a public advocate for those with Lyme while documenting her own debilitating neurological and physical symptoms and how she's coped with them.
In 2017, she published the memoir "Believe Me: My Battle with the Invisible Disability of Lyme Disease."
"Most people still don't seem to believe that chronic Lyme disease even exists," she told Vogue in 2023. "As the saying goes: You don't truly get it until you get it."
Bella Hadid has also spoken about having Lyme disease.
In late 2015, after going public with her diagnosis, Yolanda said that her daughter, Bella Hadid, has Lyme disease, too.
On August 6, 2023, the model posted a series of photos on Instagram of her receiving shots and undergoing medical procedures alongside a long caption.
" … I am okay and you do not have to worry, and 2:I wouldn't change anything for the world. If I had to go through all of this again, to get here, to this exact moment I'm in right now, with all of you, finally healthy, I would do it all again. It made me who I am today," she wrote.
She continued, " … I have so much gratitude for and perspective on life , this 100+ days of Lyme, chronic disease , co infection treatment, almost 15 years of invisible suffering, was all worth it if I'm able to, God willing, have a lifetime of spreading love from a full cup, and being able to truly be myself … "
This story was originally published in November 2018 and most recently updated on July 31, 2025.
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Transcript: Dr. Mehmet Oz on "Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan," Aug. 3, 2025
The following is the transcript of an interview with Dr. Mehmet Oz, Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services administrator, that aired on "Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan" on Aug. 3, 2025. MARGARET BRENNAN: Change is coming for the country's Medicaid system as part of the enactment of the Big, Beautiful Bill. To help us understand what's ahead, we turn now to the Administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, Dr. Mehmet Oz. Good morning. Welcome to Face The Nation. DR. MEHMET OZ: Thank you. MARGARET BRENNAN: You've got a lot of work ahead. I want to start on drug costs. The president put this 25% tariff on India, big drug producer. The President's trade deal with the EU puts a 15 percent tariff on imported medicines from Europe. How do you stop the drug makers from passing along those costs to people on Medicare and Medicaid? DR. MEHMET OZ: Well, the president's letter on Thursday for most favored nation pricing is a good example of that, and he's been working on this tirelessly since the first administration. And just to put this in context for many of the viewers, about two thirds of bankruptcies in America are caused by health care expenses. About a third of people when they go to the pharmacy, they leave empty handed. They can't afford the medication. So the President has said, Enough global freeloading. We've been covering much of the development costs for new drugs to cure cancer, deal with lots of other illnesses that are life threatening. It is in time for the American public to understand that we should not be paying three times more for the exact same medication in the same box, made in the same factories. The president's saying, equalize it out. Let's use a model that's worked, for example, for external threats, that's what NATO did. Everyone has to pay a little more. We'll pay extra too, but we won't pay a lot more than everybody else, so they actually have to raise their contributions, in this case, to an internal threat, which is illness. We'll pay a little less than America that way more Americans can afford these medications, and it's a fair system for the entire globe. MARGARET BRENNAN: So this was declared in these letters that were sent out to 17 pharmaceutical companies this past week, and it calls for extending that to Medicaid drug prices. Is that intended to offset what will be, you know, cuts to Medicaid? And do you know, you know, if the companies are actually going to follow through on this, like, how do you actually strong arm them into doing it? DR. OZ: Well just get the numbers correct. We're putting 200 billion more dollars into Medicaid. So we're actually investing— MARGARET BRENNAN: —by the time when costs are going up, so. DR. OZ: Costs are going up, but there's been a 50 percent increase in the cost of Medicaid over the last five years. So I'm trying to save this beautiful program, this noble effort, to help folks giving them a hand up. And as you probably gather, if Medicaid isn't able to take care of the people for whom it was designed, the young children, the dawn of their life, those are the twilight of their life, the seniors and those who are disabled living in the shadows, as Hubert Humphrey said, then we're not satisfying the fundamental obligation of a moral government. And this President has said over and over that he believes that it is the wise thing and the noble thing to help those who are vulnerable and every great society does that, we're going to as well. So we're going to invest in Medicaid as is required, but we want an appropriate return on that investment. One thing that Medicaid patients should not face are drug prices they can't afford. MARGARET BRENNAN: Right, how do you enforce this? Pharmaceutical companies— DR. OZ: Well, the pharmaceutical companies, if you sit them down quietly, Margaret, and we've done that, and say you went into this business at some point, because you cared about people. I know there's many out there shaking their heads, but that is actually the truth. People go into health care, whether they're pharmaceutical companies or insurance companies or the PBMs or anybody in the space. Even at the CMS, the most impressive thing to me in my new task, and the President has appointed me to, is the remarkable quality of people within the organization, just unbelievably talented. They went into this job because they care about health care and about people. Somewhere along the lines, people forget. They put numbers ahead of patients. And when that happens, then you start running into problems. We went to the pharmaceutical companies and we said, you appreciate this is not a fair system. We should not be paying more in America, three times more, for your products than you charge in Europe. They get the joke. They understand the reality of this problem. They are engaging with us. We're in the middle of those negotiations. The President has a unique power to convene. We've done it with dealing with prior authorization, this heinous process where patients feel like they're trying to get care from a doctor. Everything's being done except all of a sudden the arm of insurance comes in and stops the whole process for unknown reasons for weeks, sometimes months. The insurance companies, representing 80 percent of the American public, got together and they said, because we pushed them, we're going to deal with this. We can do the same, I believe, with the pharmaceutical industry, with most favored nation pricing. MARGARET BRENNAN: Let me ask you about the changes that are coming because of this new law to Medicaid, which is jointly administered between the feds and the states. There are major reduction- reductions to federal health care spending here, one of the changes are these work requirements. It's about 20 hours a week, volunteer or work to qualify for health care. What is the guidance you are giving to states on how to implement this? Because in this economy, things are more complicated. Uber driver, independent contractor, how do they show they work their 20 hours a week? DR. OZ: Last weekend, I was at the National Governors Association with Secretary Kennedy, who has been a big advocate of work as well. Every Democratic president and Republican president has said that the foundation of a healthy welfare system of a social system of support is work. MARGARET BRENNAN: Right, but I'm asking how you actually implement that and register it so that people who are working do qualify, and they don't get caught up in paperwork because they didn't file something on time. DR. OZ: As long as we're okay that people should work and would want to work, and it's not just work, it's community engagement. They can go get educated, right? They can take care of family members. They can contribute in other ways, but work is a great way of doing and get you out of poverty if you can find jobs and elevate yourself. There have been efforts to do this in the past, but they haven't been able to achieve what we can achieve, because we have technologies now. And we've invested already, as soon as the bill was signed, began pilots to try to demonstrate that we can actually do this correctly. We have pilots now in Louisiana and in Arizona, in both cases, within seven minutes, you can click on where you're working. You mentioned Uber, you're an Uber driver. You click that button on your phone. It just takes you to your payroll provider. Let's say it's ADP. We then ask your permission, can we connect with this payroll provider to demonstrate what you've actually been able to work and earn over the past month? This also, by the way, confirms your eligibility. But there's a bigger benefit here. Once you do that, you're in, you're done. However, what if we take one step further, Margaret? What if we go beyond just proving that you tried the work to actually say, You know what, you didn't work enough, but we can actually help you by connecting you through an employment office? MARGARET BRENNAN: So you're still figuring out the technology, but isn't there an end-of-December deadline for a lot of these things to be figured out? And how do you make sure that people don't get kicked off? Because in the state of Georgia, which already had work requirements, they have really struggled to make this work. DR. OZ: Well, a couple of things. It's not the end of December, it's end of December a year from now, and Georgia is apples and oranges. Georgia had a program only for people under the poverty level, and for those people, if they wanted, they could elect to come into a system to help them get jobs. There have been 50,000 reduction in head count of uninsured people in the overall program in the last five years. Overall, Georgia, 2 million less uninsured people. So Georgia is using a lot of tactics, and they're going in the right direction. I would argue that if you have confidence in the American people and their desire to take to offer to try to get a job, if we challenge you to that. And remember, if you're an able-bodied person on Medicaid, you're spending 6.1 hours watching television or leisure time, so you don't want that— MARGARET BRENNAN: —Well, KFF Health Policy found 92 percent of adult Medicaid recipients already are working. Or they have the carve out because they have to have caregivers, or they have to do other things. DR. OZ: They're fine. All they have to do is there'll be a simple app. If you've already carved out, that's super simple. If you're supposed to be if you're able-bodied and supposed to be working, we want to help connect you to the job market and get you into work. We have twice as many jobs available in America as people who seem to want them. The foundation of work is not just about fulfilling eligibility. The goal of health care insurance is to catalyze action in the right direction, to get you healthier, to give you agency over your future, so you recognize you matter, and you should have a job, therefore to go out and change the world. MARGARET BRENNAN: So there's a drug addiction problem in this country. How are those changes going to impact people who are on Medicaid in states like Kentucky, in states like West Virginia? DR. OZ: In many instances, there are carve outs for folks who have substance use disorder problems. There are programs-- MARGARET BRENNAN: —How do they prove that? ADMINISTRATOR OZ: Well, they can— MARGARET BRENNAN: Is this in the app? DR. OZ: Yes, it will be in the app. The app, again, this is being developed by the United States Digital Service, led by Amy Gleason, who is a wonderful technologist. She and I were with the President and Secretary Kennedy and the head of the czar for AI in this country on Wednesday, talking about overall how we're going to change the use of health technology in America. We've got to get into 2025 with health technology, as is true in every other sector. If you're watching the show right now, you could also be streaming media. You could take an Uber somewhere, the rideshare. You could do an Airbnb. Technology should make the system more efficient. We should have confidence that it will also allow us to do what we all agree is possible. If the whole challenge to a work requirement is that you don't have confidence in our ability to accomplish it, that's a separate question, because I do have confidence in the American people, and we have confidence we can pull this off. Look at the passport system, Margaret. Right now, you can go and get a passport in two weeks without having to go to the post office, send pictures, and all that's gone. It's fixable. Let's use technology. MARGARET BRENNAN: I'm still confused on how someone who is in the throes of substance abuse is going to use an app to say, I'm in the throes of substance abuse every week, to file on online— DR. OZ: —When they go in to get their help for their substance abuse treatment, assuming they're going for help on that, they can also get enrolled in, in those requirements, can be fulfilled. We want to talk to them in as many ways as possible. It's not going to happen just because we put an app out there, you, you have social workers and other folk elements who care a lot about this population, who are coming together, but they have to have some mechanism to report back. That just has not been done well. MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, and this is incredibly detailed, and that's why we wanted to have you on. I have so many more questions for you on rural hospitals and some of the other criticisms. I have to leave it there for now. But thank you, Dr. Oz-- DR. OZ: Can I give you 30 seconds on rural hospitals, because this is important. You have 7 percent of Medicaid money going to rural hospitals. We're putting 50 billion dollars the president wants us to, Congress wants to— MARGARET BRENNAN: There are a lot questions on how you're going to duel that out, and whether you have already made promises. Do you have any specifics for us? DR. OZ: Yes. Wait, wait, it's going to be, they'll get the applications in early September. The money is designed to help you with workforce development, right sizing the system and using technology to provide things like telehealth that can change the world. Imagine if we can change the way we think about the delivery of health and make it more about getting people healthy so they can thrive and flourish and be fully present in their own lives and as Americans. MARGARET BRENNAN: Dr Oz, we'll leave it there. We'll be back in a moment.


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Transcript: New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham on "Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan," Aug. 3, 2025
The following is the transcript of an interview with Democratic New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham that aired on "Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan" on Aug. 3, 2025. _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ MARGARET BRENNAN: We turn now to New Mexico's Democratic Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham. She joins us from Santa Fe. Governor, two out of five New Mexicans are on Medicaid. You've got a lot of rural hospitals. Have you figured out how to implement everything Dr. Oz just laid out? GOV. LUJAN GRISHAM: Absolutely not. There is no real way to implement this. It's more paperwork for everyone. It's more paperwork for federal government, for state governments, for county governments, for local hospitals, for independent providers. And you know what Americans really hate, Margaret? When you go to your primary care physician and you spend 20 minutes sitting at a chair, not even on the exam table, while they are inputting data into a computer. So this doesn't make any sense. We should be a society and a country that is connecting people to healthcare providers. I think the one thing that Dr. Oz represents that's a fair representation, is we should be healthier as Americans. All right. We need to be moving out of poverty. We need drug prices- we should talk about that, to come down. So go after insurance companies. Do manufacturing here. Make sure we can negotiate fair prices. Let states do that, because I guarantee you, we'll do a better job than the federal government. And lastly, get people early, easy access today, more than half, or about half, our small businesses don't even offer health care coverage. So you can get a job. but now what? MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah, well, you said, though- in your state, because as a governor, you're going to have to figure this out. You have reserve cash from some oil and gas revenues, as I understand it, that have been put aside. Doesn't that show it is possible for the federal government to shift more responsibility back to the states? That's the argument conservatives are making. GOV. LUJAN GRISHAM: They are and it's temporary. There is no way any state, including this one—which, frankly, I am really proud of, we are in really good financial shape that takes planning and effort. You know, our job projections continue to be met and exceed, unlike the federal jobs report, which is going in the opposite direction. So I don't know where all these jobs are going to be in this anemic economy. I mean, it's so bad. The last time it was this bad, I was in college, and let me tell you, that was a very long time ago. And so yes, temporarily we can do that. But you can't do it over the long haul. The lost minimally to New Mexico over less than a decade is between 12 and $13 billion dollars and when, not if, rural hospitals and local providers close their doors. I can do this better than any other state. The last governor completely canceled behavioral health. Six years later, we are still reeling from trying to rebuild. We put a billion dollars into behavioral health just this last legislative session. It is not so easy to rebuild something out of nothing. MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, the $50 billion Rural Health Care Fund under this Republican law is supposed to give people the— your—states like yours, the ability to come and say, we need this extra cash. Are you going to have to ask for that? GOV. LUJAN GRISHAM: I'm going to ask for every dollar the federal government has put aside anywhere that benefits a New Mexican. So you got 50 billion. That's $1 billion for each state, if it was even. Do you know how much money it would take to shore up rural hospitals? More than a billion. And to put that in perspective—let me do this, it's a billion just for behavioral health, it's a billion plus just to keep people's coverage, it's another billion for prescription drugs, it's a billion dollars for rural provider delivery investments, and that's only 50 hospitals. You have hundreds of hospitals. Hundreds. 400 rural hospitals across America that will shutter. So that's the number at it is. We are- how do we pick these rural hospitals? And if you pick a Southeastern rural hospital in New Mexico, what about the rural hospital in western New Mexico. Economies fail. People have to move away. You don't have any OBGYN care. That whole area collapses, and they are reducing rural health care delivery by about 134 billion. So the 50 billion is just to make someone somewhere feel like they recognize that this is a disaster. $900 billion out of Medicaid is catastrophic, straight up. MARGARET BRENNAN: Governor, we ran through a lot of material here. I have more questions for you, but very quickly—can you tell me—you deployed the National Guard to counter unrest in New Mexico. How is that different from what the president did in California? GOV. LUJAN GRISHAM: Well, they're not policing. They're doing the back end work so that trained community policing, and members of that training, right—those local police officers, they're on the streets. What we have in this country is a shortage of police officers. What I have in New Mexico is a partnership. So they're doing all of the—they answer all of the emergency calls. They handle all the traffic clearance when we've got a crash. And it is working, we're beginning to see more productive fentanyl drug dealing high end arrests than we did without the guard. And I'm really proud of that work. This is about partnering and leveraging, not about indiscriminately going after individuals who have not committed serious crimes. MARGARET BRENNAN: Thank you for your time today. 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University of Minnesota doctor-patient team hopes to help people suffering from chronic pain
It's a hard part of life for all of us, but for some, pain is constant. In the U.S., nearly 21% of people live with chronic pain, but a patient-doctor team from the University of Minnesota hopes to change that. Cemeteries aren't where everyone feels comfort, but it's the type of environment Olivia Hall of Stillwater, Minnesota, is drawn to. "You hear you wanna be a police officer, doctor, nurse, you don't always hear I want to be a funeral director," she said. It's a passion to serve passed down from her grandfather. She studied mortuary science at the University of Minnesota. She spends a lot of time on campus for another reason, too: her pain. "On a good day, I live at like a five, on a bad day, it's like a 9, and sometimes that can be treated at home, sometimes I end up back here, unfortunately," Hall said. She's a regular at the M Health Fairview University of Minnesota's emergency department. An emergency she had back when she was 15, a snowmobile accident, revealed a birth defect in her shoulder and the pain persisted. "Just a constant aching and burning, nothing could take it away," she said. "It wasn't like a broken bone. It was nerve pain, but we couldn't take it away." For years, Hall ended up in hospitals, needing painkillers. "When my chronic pain journey started, there were days you couldn't get me off my floor everything hurt so bad. Vomiting out of control, my arms would turn purple, my legs would turn purple. I literally had a doctor come and say, 'You are just mad because I am not giving you the drugs you want.'" she said. "We as women are just expected to handle things at a different level." Through her work, Hall realized the levity of the situation as she worked with and ached with a family who understood. "I can remember the first suicide I showed up to, and it was heartbreaking. it was actually a chronic pain person," Hall said. "And I remember, it was literally because she told her husband if she didn't find a doctor who would listen, that she would end her own life on this day." She wants to share her story for those who can't. It's a story about hope she found at the emergency department at M Health Fairview with Dr. Cody Tidwell and his partner. Johns Hopkins defines chronic pain as standing pain that persists beyond the usual recovery period. It can be complicated for patients and doctors, especially when the source of the pain is unclear. A South Dakota native, Tidwell embraced an area of medicine that can cause frustration. "I think it's misunderstood. Unless you have had chronic pain, you don't understand how much it affects your life," he said. Tidwell understood how affected Hall was. "He literally pulled up a chair and listened to me, and my friend was with me and said, 'That's the first doctor who hasn't questioned you.'" Hall said. Tidwell says it's hard not to be jaded for a physician who is not familiar with chronic pain. "You get burned once and, as a human, you kind of put up a defensive wall, and say, 'OK, that's probably a drug seeker patient.'" Tidwell said. "I try to really give people the benefit of the doubt, really it's innocent until proven guilty. I really believe in that in health care as well. Just because we can't see or get a lab or really justify it objectively, that doesn't mean it's not real. I always go into it looking at, 'OK, you're experiencing pain. Why and what can I do for that?'" With his partner and Hall, they established a care plan, identified a faulty nerve stimulator and weaned Hall off opiates. "I am out doing things and I can be a human because six months ago I wasn't," she said. "I think it's amazing. I want people to know it can be better, it really can." Hall has the energy to better serve others who are hurting. "I just want people to know you are not invisible, that the care teams are out there," she said.