Listen to The Country online: Scott Barrett talks rugby and fishing
Today on The Country radio show, host Jamie Mackay catches up with Kaiwaka Clothing ambassador, fishing fan, and All Blacks captain Scott Barrett.
Mackay picks Barrett's brains about rugby before the pair find out who won the Kaiwaka fishing trip promotion.
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