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A Longevity Expert Breaks Down the Science and Hype of Biological Aging Tests

A Longevity Expert Breaks Down the Science and Hype of Biological Aging Tests

How old are you really? Counting birthdays may be a common tally, but your 'age' isn't determined by time alone. New research increasingly shows the importance of considering chronological age as something very different from biological age—in which the body and its cells, tissues and organs all have separate 'clocks' that can tick at different speeds.
'Calculating biological age, I think, is core to the advances we've made in the science of aging,' says Eric Topol, a cardiologist and genomics professor at Scripps Research in California. 'It's a way you can tell if a person, organ, or any biological unit is at pace of aging—if it's normal, abnormal or supernormal.'
In his new book Super Agers: An Evidence-Based Approach to Longevity, Topol delves into the recent surge in public interest in biological aging and the accelerating quest to refine ways to measure it—giving a more precise picture of a person's longevity prospects and of potential ailments that can be prevented or treated early. Scientific American spoke with Topol about the latest research in biological aging, factors that might speed it up or slow it down and what it can tell us about our health.
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[ An edited transcript of the interview follows. ]
How is biological age determined and how has the research evolved?
The real beginning of this research started more than a decade ago by geneticist Steven Horvath with his 'clock' [test], with which, basically using saliva, you could look at specific genetic markers in a genome and predict a person's biological age. His clock is really known as an epigenetic clock, or methylation clock. As people age, DNA changes and gets methylated—this is when a methyl group [molecule] attaches to specific nucleotides of DNA. I kind of liken it to the body rusting out. Basically, you're getting marks at specific parts of the genome that track with aging in humans and every other species of mammal.
In Horvath's initial test, there clearly was a detection of both alignment with the person's real age, or chronological age—and when it wasn't matching up. In other words, if a person's biological age was off by a few years from their real age, you'd wonder why that is.
Then what's proliferated in the more than 10 years since has been all these other clocks: protein clocks, RNA clocks, immune system clocks—you name it. Using plasma proteins from a blood sample, we can also clock organs—whether it's the heart, brain, liver or kidney. So we have seen just enormous advances in these clocks, and they keep getting refined with added features. There's a race to get the best clocks to predict survival.
What can biological age tests tell us clinically?
We can detect in an individual if something's not right at different levels. For example, if your biological age is five years older than your real age, is there an organ that might be linked with that? Then you can use these clocks to see if lifestyle, prevention or treatment can slow down the pace of aging and get it into alignment with your actual age.
The question is: When will doctors actually start using them? The medical community is very hard to change. So it hasn't happened yet, but I believe it will eventually. Tests are also made available by commercial companies, but they can be very expensive. You can run an epigenetic test in a very simple way for $10 or $20, while some of these companies are charging $200.
I haven't seen their publications to be able to say with confidence that they are doing things right, and the lack of standards from one company to the next is disconcerting. They don't want to shock [customers by telling them] that they're 10 years older than their real chronological age. Eventually, I believe, we're going to have high-fidelity epigenetic clocks with no motivation for a provider to hold things back if a person's data are really bad.
Why might someone biologically age 'faster' or 'slower' than their actual age?
If you had to pick one mechanism behind why biological age and chronological age are misaligned, it would most likely be because there are some genes that are either protective or linked with accelerated aging—but that's such a small part of the story. Another root cause appears to be that our immune system gets weaker and less functional as we get older. In the average person, this starts around age 55 to 60. It drops its level of protection, or it gets dysregulated—off track—and it can have an untoward, hyperactive response. Now when you have that happen, you start to see inflammation in the organs, such as in the arteries of the heart or the brain—it's what I call 'inflammaging.'
Obviously our lifestyle also has a big impact—eating a really healthy diet that's not proinflammatory and doesn't have a lot of ultraprocessed foods or red meat. Good sleep health helps reduce inflammation. There's only one thing that's been definitively shown to slow the epigenetic aging process, and that's exercise. I think these clocks ultimately are going to be very good incentives for people to adopt a healthy lifestyle. We can't get everybody to do all these things that we know help them, but if they get their own data and they see something's off track, the hope is that they'd [change their lifestyle]. That's, of course, just one of the ways to prevent diseases. There are also drugs and other treatments.
What environmental factors are also important to consider?
We have all kinds of food deserts in the U.S. We have air pollution and unmitigated accumulation in the air and water of microplastics and nanoplastics, which get into every part of our body and induce inflammation. And we have forever chemicals as well that are pervasive. These all play a factor in lifestyle, health and aging.
Let's talk more about 'inflammaging.' We know some inflammation can be good for the body to fight infections, for instance, but a lot can be bad. How does chronic inflammation potentially accelerate aging?
Inflammation and aging are so tightly intertwined. The immune system is really the driver for good [when it attacks pathogens] and for bad when it promotes too much inflammation in walls of arteries or the brain. That's heart disease and neurodegenerative disease, respectively. But what's so exciting is we can dial up or down the immune system now. For example, [there have been] natural, amazing experiments with the shingles vaccines, which reduce dementia and Alzheimer's disease 20 to 25 percent. So how does that work? Well, [the vaccine] amps up the immune system in people and older adults. That's going to be the critical thing in using these metrics: zooming in on the immune system and inflammation to keep people's immune system intact and stop it when it starts to go haywire. That's the future. In the last chapter of the book, I presented the first cut of my ' immunome '—an assay of every virus and pathogen I've been exposed to, every antibody I have. But that's just scratching the surface.
The immune system clock could turn out to be the most useful of all; if I could pick one, that's the one I would want. But the immune system is very complex. Maybe we don't have to do a systematic, comprehensive assessment of our immunome [that would include checking antibody titers and] sequencing B cells, T cells and interferons. If we can use just a group of plasma proteins, that would be terrific. That remains to be seen. There's a human immunome project just getting started to try to compare things such as the proteins with the much more sophisticated and expensive ways to get at the health of an immune system.
What are the downsides of slowing down biological aging, or extending lifespan?
We feel really great if we get to age 85. 'Super agers' who don't get one of the big four age-related diseases [type 2 diabetes, cancer, or heart or neurodegenerative disease] say 'Well, I did it.' Of course, if you get up to age 98, you're really doing well. I think we're going to have a whole lot more super agers. But that's not going to get around the fact that eventually they're going to develop some problems—one of the big four or other conditions. It could be you get an infection because your immune system is just too weak. Or it could be you break your hip because your bone density is so low and you wind up with a pulmonary embolus [a clot that blocks blood flow to the lungs].
Eventually you die, and you may have a chronic illness between that point of extended health span and when you die. I don't want to put a sense out there that super agers won't see problems in the latter stages of their lives. But the point is, let's extend the health span—high-quality life without these big age-related diseases—as much as we can before getting into the downturn of a health arc.
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DelViscio: It was about –20 outside and maybe about 10 degrees, 15 degrees better in the, in the tent, so all night about zero [degrees F, or about –17.8 degrees C], –5 [degrees F, or about –20.6 degrees C], –10 [degrees F, or about –23.3 degrees C], and it was also at about 8,500 feet [2,590.8 meters] on the top of the ice sheet ... Feltman: Mm. DelViscio: Which, you know, you're kind of on a mountain already; it's like being in the Rockies but on the top of a big, wide ice sheet. In every direction you look there's nothing—there's no features; there's nothing—and you're just laying on ice all night, and it, it was painful ... Feltman: Yeah. DelViscio: I'm not gonna lie about it; it was painful. And you have a sleeping bag that's rated at –40 degrees [F, or –40 degrees C], and you have a hot-water bottle that you put in to, to try to warm yourself up, but my face was sort of sticking out of the mummy-bag hole, and I would breathe and there would just be ice crystals forming on my beard and face ... Feltman: Wow. DelViscio: As I breathed out, so a little bit of a rough intro. But I did question why I was there. DelViscio (tape): Well, I made it through my first night. I wouldn't say it was pleasant—really cold the whole time [laughs]. That's—tough to get comfortable at any point. I don't know how people do this for long periods of time. Brutal, yeah. But I made it. DelViscio: But I did get through it, and there was a lot of experience, like I said, people who knew what they were doing, which really helped. Feltman: Yeah, well, you mentioned that getting out there took a really long time. How did you get there, and where did you end up? 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[CLIP: Sound of a Twin Otter cargo plane throttling up] DelViscio: To take you yet another step, the final leg, to the GreenDrill site, which is out in the northeast part of Greenland—literally the middle of nowhere: hundreds of miles in every direction, there's just ice and you. [CLIP: Sound of wind blowing across the ice sheet at the GreenDrill camp] DelViscio: So it's a real production. It took about 20 flights for all ... Feltman: Wow. DelViscio: Of the people, logistics and gear. There's probably about 20,000 pounds' worth of gear, including the drilling equipment that we had to take. So it takes a week just to get there, and then you're sort of flat-out working once you actually do get there; the team knows that there's only so much time and there's a closing window, so it's kind of a scramble, but it's a long scramble just to get to there. Feltman: And where exactly are all those planes and gear going to? 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And so we were positioned right at the edge of something called the Northeast Greenland Ice Stream, which drains about 12 to 16 percent of the ice sheet, so, like, basically over 10 percent of the water that's kind of going out and moving to the sea, getting into glaciers and then going into the ocean comes through this massive ice stream, which is really just this big tongue of ice moving faster than the surrounding parts of it. That location is really important to understand how the ice sheet loses its mass, and if you sample at just the right point, then you can understand, in this really critical portion of the ice sheet, exactly how that ice stream works in terms of keeping the ice either growing or shrinking, and right now it's really shrinking, so they wanna understand how these streams can play a part in pulling the ice sheet apart itself. Feltman: Yeah, let's talk more about the science. What kind of experiments are going on here? 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And the important part about being underneath the ice sheet is that the rock itself that's under the ice sheet tells you something about when it's had ice on it and when it hasn't, and when it hasn't is a really important part of that because if we're wondering about how the ice sheet breaks up, we really have to know how quickly that's happened in the past. And at this point science has very little idea about how that actually works. So what they did was: We were out there with these small drills, packed up in kind of containers. You take the drill and you drill all the way through the ice ... [CLIP: Sound of the Winkie Drill drilling through the ice sheet] DelViscio: And you're not happy when you get to the bottom of it—you stop, and then you keep going, and you pull the rock out from underneath the ice. The game here is to do measurements on that rock and see what it will tell you about when this place had ice and when it didn't. 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Now, the ice core went off to be in thousands and thousands of other papers connected to records all over the world; the rock underneath went to a freezer and got stored, and people basically forgot about it. Joerg Schaefer and Jason Briner of the University at Buffalo, in the early 2010s they realized that that rock could tell you something, and now they had chemical tools to analyze that rock in a way that it hadn't [been] before. And so they went back and got that rock, they tested it, and in 2016 they published a paper that showed: at that site in the middle of the ice sheet, their chemical tests told them that it was ice-free within the last million years. That means the whole ice sheet was gone. Feltman: Wow. DelViscio: And that was way quicker than anybody thought was possible. And so that spurred this whole next step, which was: 'If we got more of these rocks from different parts of the ice sheet, what else will it tell us about how quickly this happens?' Jason Briner: The bed of the ice sheet contains a history of the ice that covers it—basically the words, the stories of the history of the ice sheet. It's a book of information down there that we want to read if we can get those samples. DelViscio: That's Jason Briner. So that was the seed of this whole thing. So if you stick this soda straw down into the rock and you pull it back out, you can test multiple locations, and it could tell you, 'Here there was no ice then. Here there was no ice then. Here there was no ice then,' around the ice sheet as a way to sort of test ... Feltman: Hmm. DelViscio: How it sort of shrinks back to its teeny-tiny state. Feltman: And how do you get that kind of signal out of a rock? DelViscio: It's complicated [laughs]. It—you know, I wasn't a chemistry major in, in school; I was a geology major. But one of the researchers in the field, Allie Balter-Kennedy, you know, she has a good way of thinking about it. Why don't I just pull Allie in to talk about how this signal comes into the rock? Allie Balter-Kennedy: So there's cosmic rays that come in from outer space at all times, and when they interact with rocks they create these nuclear reactions that create isotopes or nuclides that we don't otherwise find on Earth. And we know the rate at which those nuclides are produced, so if we can measure them, we can figure out how long that rock has been exposed to these cosmic rays—or, kind of in our field, how long that rock has been ice-free. And so when you do that underneath an ice sheet, you get a sense of when the last time the rock was exposed and also how long it was exposed for, so it's a pretty powerful method for learning about times when ice was smaller than it is now. DelViscio: These nuclides are the signal inside the rock. If you can tell how much of it is in the rock and how quickly those signals should decay, if you see jumps in that signal, you can tell that ice was over top of it and it stopped the barrage from the universe, so it turned the signal on and off. Feltman: Hmm. DelViscio: And that's sort of how they look at the signal, is like: 'Is it on; is it off? Is it on; is it off?' And that tells you, in a way: 'There was ice over top, or there wasn't. There was ice over top, or there wasn't.' Feltman: Wow, yes, that does sound very complicated [laughs] but also very cool. Did the team end up actually getting what they were after? DelViscio: Yeah, so it was kind of down to the line. After all the traveling and all the logistics, and there was some weather and delays, and there [were] cargo flights that couldn't land, basically, everything got compressed into about three weeks on the ice at the site. That's not a whole lot of time to do what they were trying to do. It's a spoiler alert, but if you read the feature, you'll hear about exactly how this happened, but they did end up getting not just one of these samples, but two ... Feltman: Hmm. DelViscio: From two different sites, which you can sort of test against each other to make sure you got the right stuff. All the way to the last few days before extraction they were drilling, trying to get the rock samples. But there was this moment out on the ice, right towards when we sort of wrapped up, where I remember it felt unseasonably warm. [CLIP: Sound of the members of the GreenDrill team around the Winkie Drill] DelViscio: It was about 25 degrees [F, or about –3.9 degrees C], which is balmy ... Feltman: Yeah. DelViscio: On the ice sheet. And honestly, the, the drill was just, after going through a couple rounds where it was tough going, sort of sliced like, you know, a knife through hot bread down to the ice and got the rock out, and they got this beautiful long core. Caleb Walcott-George: Heavy! Elliot Moravec: That there's genuine rock core. Walcott-George: Oh, baby. DelViscio: I just remember, Caleb Walcott-George, who was one of the scientists on the expedition, just, like, hoisted it like it was, like, this prized bass. Feltman: Yeah. DelViscio: And there was sort of this shout all around the camp. Walcott-George: Oh, too late [laughs]! Tanner Kuhl: I was just baiting ya. DelViscio: And when they closed the hole they had this liquor called Gammel Dansk, which is this Danish liqueur, but they call it 'driller's fluid.' Moravec: There it is. Forest Harmon: You gotta lace it right down in the casing, dude. DelViscio: And they poured one down the hole to close it out as a way to sort of give the hole something back. Moravec: Bottoms up. Walcott-George: You wanna see something I made? Moravec: That's all she wrote. Kuhl: Well-done. DelViscio: It was this really clean finish to what had been a pretty stressful couple weeks, just trying to get samples back with the window of time closing. So it was a, a nice moment out on the ice and, you know, just had music playing, and it felt like not the end of the world in the middle of an ice sheet but a tight-knit science camp where things were going right. Feltman: Yeah, that must've been really cool 'cause I feel like there's not a lot of field work where, when you get the thing you're looking for, it's, like, sturdy and hoistable [laughs], so that's fun. DelViscio: For sure. Feltman: And I'm sure, you know, there's gonna be years of follow-up research on this data, but what are they learning from their time in the field? DelViscio: They had a, a site in another part of Greenland from the year before where they did the same kind of work, and they're just at the point at where they're publishing that. And what it looks like is that there's this place called Prudhoe Dome, which is in the northwest part of Greenland, where there was this big ice dome, and what those tests told them was: it looked very probable within the Holocene, so in the last 10,000 years, that the ice was completely gone there. Feltman: Hmm. DelViscio: And it was a lot of ice to take away that quickly. Again, it's, you know, you're sort of going from this 2016 paper, which says a million years ago it was ice-free—a million years is a long time. Feltman: Yeah. DelViscio: But even a sample in a place where there's a whole lot of ice in the northwest of Greenland and having it gone within the last 10,000 years, with climatic conditions that are close to what we're experiencing now, that puts it on a 'our threat' kind of level. Feltman: Yeah. DelViscio: Because ultimately, you know, if the whole of the ice sheet melted, that's 24 feet of sea-level rise. That means massive migration, totally changes the surface of the planet. But you don't need 24 feet to really mess some stuff up. So even five inches or 10 inches or a foot and a half is kind of life-changing for coastal communities around the world. Every amount of exactitude they can get on how this thing changes, breaks up and melts is just a little bit more help for humanity in terms of planning for that kind of scenario, which, given the state of our climate, seems like we're gonna get more melt before we get it growing back, so it's definitely coming—the, the melt is coming; the flood is coming. Feltman: Well, thanks so much for coming on to share some of your Greenland story with us, Jeff. DelViscio: Of course, I was happy to freeze my butt off to get this story for our readers and listeners [laughs]. Feltman: That's all for today's episode. Science Quickly is produced by me, Rachel Feltman, along with Fonda Mwangi, Kelso Harper, Naeem Amarsy and Jeff DelViscio. This episode was edited and reported by Jeff DelViscio. You can check out his July/ August cover story, ' Greenland's Frozen Secret,' on the website now. We'll put a link to it in our show notes, too. Shayna Posses and Aaron Shattuck fact check our show. Our theme music was composed by Dominic Smith. Special thanks to the whole GreenDrill team, including Allie Balter-Kennedy, Caleb Walcott-George, Joerg Schaefer, Jason Briner, Tanner Kuhl, Forest Harmon, Elliot Moravec, Matt Anfinson, Barbara Olga Hild, Arnar Pall Gíslason and Zoe Courville for all their insights and support in the field. Jeff's reporting was supported by a grant from the Pulitzer Center and made possible through the assistance of the U.S. National Science Foundation Office of Polar Programs. For Science Quickly, this is Rachel Feltman.

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