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Donald Trump hints at skipping G20 summit in South Africa

Donald Trump hints at skipping G20 summit in South Africa

US President Donald Trump has hinted that he may not attend the G20 leaders' summit in South Africa this November, citing continued dissatisfaction with the country's domestic and international policies.
'I think maybe I'll send somebody else because I've had a lot of problems with South Africa. They have some very bad policies,' Trump told reporters aboard Air Force One on Tuesday.
The summit, scheduled to take place under South Africa's G20 presidency, is expected to be a key global diplomatic event.
However, Trump's comments add fuel to already tense US-South Africa relations.
Trump's criticism comes on the back of several contentious issues: South Africa's land reform policies : Trump has previously accused South Africa of land seizures and 'white genocide,' though these claims have been widely discredited.
: Trump has previously accused South Africa of land seizures and 'white genocide,' though these claims have been widely discredited. International litigation : The US has opposed South Africa's case at the International Court of Justice (ICJ) , where Pretoria accused Israel of genocide over its actions in Gaza.
: The US has opposed South Africa's case at the , where Pretoria accused over its actions in Gaza. Economic friction : In February, Trump signed an executive order slashing US financial aid to South Africa , criticising the country's Black Economic Empowerment (BEE) laws as discriminatory.
: In February, Trump signed an executive order slashing , criticising the country's laws as discriminatory. Diplomatic boycotts: Earlier this year, US Secretary of State Marco Rubio boycotted a G20 foreign ministers' meeting hosted in South Africa.
The ongoing Gaza conflict – which has left tens of thousands dead, displaced millions, and led to accusations of war crimes – has further divided Washington and Pretoria.
South Africa continues to press its genocide case against Israel, a close US ally.
South African President Cyril Ramaphosa has dismissed Trump's accusations, defending the country's land and economic policies as legitimate redress of historical injustices.
He has urged Trump to attend the G20 summit, framing it as an opportunity for dialogue and diplomacy.
If Trump follows through on skipping the summit, it would mark a major diplomatic snub, especially given South Africa's role as the current G20 chair.
It remains to be seen who the US might send in his place.
Analysts suggest Trump's decision could further deepen geopolitical divisions within the G20 and complicate discussions on global cooperation – particularly on issues of trade, security, and climate change.
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