
Bob Vylan right to express rage against the IDF. Bob Dylan would agree
By the pale afternoon
And I'll watch while you're lowered
Down to your deathbed
And I'll stand over your grave
'Til I'm sure that you're dead'.
So stated the 2016 Nobel Laureate for Literature, Bob Dylan, over 50 years ago without any of the media frenzy and faux outrage being spouted by our political 'leaders' who should be more concerned about the little-reported slaughter of hundreds of innocent women and children by the IDF in the past week alone.
The rage Bob Vylan expresses about our complicity in the continuing genocide in Palestine ("Anti-IDF chants by punk duo at Glastonbury 'crossed a line'", The Herald, June 30) is understandable and shared by many. It is reassuring that minstrelsy is still afforded a platform for the expression of such concerns.
Charlie Shaw, Rutherglen.
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Hypocrisy of the PM
Much as I deplore the recent anti-IDF demonstration at Glastonbury, and indeed the reasons for it, I do think it ill-becomes a Prime Minister to accuse other person of "hate speech" ("Starmer says 'death to IDF' chants at Glastonbury were 'appalling hate speech'", heraldscotland, June 29) when he himself has appeared in the media (LBC interview, October 11, 2023) agreeing, when asked, that it was "a proportional response" to deny Palestinian mothers and children in besieged Gaza food, water and electricity, and stating that "Israel does have that right".
I could hardly believe my eyes and ears. Such a response is beneath contempt and will never be forgotten. It made me ashamed to be a UK citizen, and very glad that I moved to Scotland.
John Gosling, Oban.
Support the IDF
The real scandal at Glastonbury is not the behaviour of Bob Vylan but the complete lack of awareness and empathy of their well-off audience, which allowed them to join in the antisemitic chants of "Death to the IDF".
Over 300 young people were murdered at the Super Nova music festival on October 7, 2023. Many were gang-raped and mutilated first. Then both the living and the dead were abducted to Gaza.
Those atrocities and the many hundreds of civilians murdered in their own homes in the kibbutzim that day are why the Israeli Defence Force is having to fight this war.
All decent people should wish them a speedy and thorough victory.
Otto Inglis, Crossgates, Fife.
Hitting the wrong note
What could have been a very interesting column on the Glastonbury music festival by Brian Beacom, was unfortunately let down by his very lazy comparison of the venue to one of the horrendous First World War battlefields with its many fatalities ("Glastonbury festival is basically Passchendaele reimagined", Herald Magazine, June 28).
This reference, both in the headline and in the penultimate paragraph, absolutely has no place in this article.
Eileen Michael, Paisley.
Stand firm against nuclear
Last week, the notorious nuclear lobby seemed to monopolise your pages ("The Future of Torness", The Herald, June 27-29). Along with the current Labour administration in London, it has begun to sound truly hysterical as it continues to shriek that our Scottish Government must allow it to impose more nuclear reactors on Scotland. We need to ask why.
At the same moment, EDF has just been given permission, by that same Labour administration, to continue operating its nuclear reactor at Torness for another five years, despite the fact that it now has the same number of cracks in its graphite core that finally forced the closure of the Hunterston AGR on safety grounds. The potential consequences and environmental and health risks to surrounding communities of cracks in any part of a nuclear reactor are obviously very serious. For this reason, this careless attitude of the Labour Party, which has governmental responsibility for safety, is very worrying. Again, we need to ask why.
Meanwhile, in France, after two years of huge problems with corrosion and shutdowns in most of their nuclear reactors, the Civaux 2 reactor, recently "repaired", has just been shut down again, to "repair the repairs", while new corrosion is investigated. We should surely urgently ask why corrosion and cracks at Torness are ignored, while the French nuclear inspectorate demands action for safety.
The answer to all these questions, in my opinion, is very simply that Westminster requires Scotland, which produces more sustainable, clean electricity than we can use, to remain, firstly, a producer of nuclear waste and secondly, to be implicated in the need to secure supplies of uranium for Westminster's very stupid backward lunge towards nuclear fission.
I hope the Scottish Government stands firm: we are reliving a horrible history. I was 25 when a London Labour government nominated Galloway as the UK high-level nuclear waste dump and Orkney as the UK national uranium mine. Fifty years later, having, apparently, despite Chernobyl and Fukushima, learned nothing about the pointlessness of distance from nuclear disasters and pollution, it is coming at poor old " remote and expendable" Scotland again.
Frances McKie, Evanton.
Torness is Scotland's sole operational nuclear power plant (Image: Getty)
A hitch for Jeff Bezos
Ian Smith (Letters, June 30) is right; Jeff Bezos's wedding was "obscenely lavish".
But it could rebound on his fortune, with people opting to boycott Amazon and shop online elsewhere.
George Morton, Rosyth.
• The National Debt recently touched £2.9 trillion. In 2010 it was £1.17tr, and the UK Government is adding around £100 billion to it each and every year. So, every decade now adds £1tr. This debt is underwritten by cash-rich individuals and countries such as Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk, China etc. The interest on the debt last year was £168bn.
What moral right do we have for punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation? If anything merits a national referendum the national debt most surely does.
Doug Clark, Currie.
Problem with hedge funds
I fear Mark Smith ('Don't believe the moaning about our private schools', The Herald, June 30) may have underestimated the effect of VAT on school fees. Driving on Calder Street just last week, I noticed that the boundary hedge of Hutcheson's Grammar annexe was extremely overgrown and in need of a good trimming. As fees rise, clearly some things are cut, whilst others are not.
Stuart Brennan, Glasgow.
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Kneecap and Bob Vylan shouldn't be prosecuted
So here's the question I've been wrestling with since Bob Vylan chanted 'Death, death to the IDF' at Glastonbury at the weekend. Is Bob Vylan a 'he' or a 'they'? I don't mean a they/them, although that might be the case. I mean is Bob Vylan a person or a band? I keep seeing Bob Vylan referred to as 'him', including by the BBC, but a cursory Google search reveals that they are in fact a punk rap duo, with neither performer actually named Bob. Is the band's name supposed to be a play on Bob Dylan? And if they're embracing the word 'vylan', presumably a synonym for 'villain', they can't really complain about being prosecuted for their on-stage antics. They are self-proclaimed outlaws and to have this confirmed by the police and the Crown Prosecution Service will no doubt enhance their bad boy image, in much the same way that Kneecap, the Northern Irish republican band, are no doubt absolutely delighted that one of their members is being prosecuted under the Terrorism Act. Should we indulge Bob Vylan in this way? My north star here is the Brandenburg Test, which was established in the US Supreme Court case of Brandenburg vs Ohio (1969). This was a First Amendment challenge to the prosecution of a member oftheKu Klux Klan called Clarence Brandenburg for threatening the President, Congress and the Supreme Court with violent reprisals if they continued 'to suppress the white Caucasian race'. The Supreme Court found for Brandenburg on the grounds that providing speech isn't 'directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action' it is protected. It seems clear that calling for the death of the IDF, while clearly abhorrent, is not likely to produce imminent lawless action. Incidentally, the same applies to Lucy Connolly, the wife of a former Tory councillor and mother of one who was sentenced to 31 months in jail for a single tweet about burning down asylum hotels. Given that she didn't name a particular hotel and added the caveat 'for all I care', her post wasn't likely to incite imminent lawless action either. Nevertheless, could Bob Vylan be prosecuted under UK law, a question currently being considered by Avon and Somerset Police? One suggestion is they may be guilty of an offence under the Public Order Act 1986: intending to stir up racial hatred, which is what Lucy Connolly was prosecuted for. In their defence, Vylan could argue that the IDF is a military organisation, not a racial group, and Lucy Connolly could have made a similar argument about asylum seekers if she had pleaded not guilty – they're not a distinct racial group and therefore she wasn't being 'racist'. But, interestingly, Lady Hale ruled in R vs Rogers (2007) that, for the purposes of deciding whether an offence is 'racially aggravated', the definition of 'racial group' included 'foreigners', even if that group contains people of many different ethnicities. I think the prosecution in Lucy's case would have argued that Lady Hale's definition of 'racial group' applies to the 'stirring up' offence, not just to racially aggravated offences, but it would be hard to run a similar argument in the prosecution of Bob Vylan. While I think the punk rap duo will probably escape prosecution, I'm not so confident about Kneecap. They, too, are being investigated by Avon and Somerset Police for their behaviour at Glastonbury over the weekend. The incident in question was the band calling on their fans to riot outside Westminster Magistrate's Court where the lead singer, Liam Óg Ó hAnnaidh, is due to go on trial for allegedly displaying the flag of Hezbollah, a proscribed terrorist organisation. That could be another offence under the Public Order Act, namely inciting a riot. On the other hand, prosecuting a person for that offence requires the consent of the Attorney General, and Lord Hermer may withhold it. What Kneecap said last week comes closer to failing the Brandenburg Test. They weren't just inciting riot in general, but asking their fans to riot at a particular time and place. Under Brandenburg, inciting imminent lawless action isn't sufficient; it has to be likely to take place as a result of the speech in question. Is it probable that Kneecap's fans will riot outside Westminster Magistrate's Court when the lead singer goes on trial? Given that their fans are mainly middle-class soy boys who would run a mile from violent disorder, that seems unlikely. And to be fair, the band did insist afterwards that they were 'only joking'. Lucy Connolly deleted her unpleasant tweet and apologised for it, but the Attorney General, who also had to sign off on her prosecution, extended no such latitude to her. Overall, my position is clear. Bob Vylan and Kneecap should not be prosecuted for their remarks at Glastonbury and Lucy Connolly should be given a pardon and set free. But to bang her up for over two-and-a-half years and do nothing about these posing pop stars does seem like another example of two-tier justice.


Wales Online
an hour ago
- Wales Online
Committee asks BBC boss for view on ‘what went wrong' with Glastonbury coverage
Committee asks BBC boss for view on 'what went wrong' with Glastonbury coverage The BBC has faced strong criticism for continuing to livestream the performance of punk rap duo Bob Vylan, which is now the subject of a criminal police investigation Tim Davie was at Glastonbury Festival when pro-Palestine chants were broadcast by the BBC (Image: PA Wire/PA Images ) A Government committee has written to BBC director-general Tim Davie asking him for a "personal assessment of what went wrong" with the broadcaster's Glastonbury coverage. The BBC has faced strong criticism for continuing to livestream the performance of punk rap duo Bob Vylan, which is now the subject of a criminal police investigation, at the festival on iPlayer. They led chants of "Death, death to the IDF (Israel Defence Forces)" during their set on the West Holts Stage on Saturday, with the broadcaster providing on-screen warnings about discriminatory language on its platform. It later apologised on Monday and said the chants held "antisemitic sentiments" that were "unacceptable". Irish rap trio Kneecap, who are also facing an Avon and Somerset Police investigation, appeared on the same stage directly after Bob Vylan and led the Glastonbury audience in "Free Palestine" chants. It has since been revealed that Tim Davie was at Glastonbury when the pro-Palestine chants were broadcast. Article continues below In a letter sent to Mr Davie by the Culture, Media and Sport Committee on Tuesday, chairwoman Dame Caroline Dinenage asked the BBC boss 12 questions after saying its coverage had caused "widespread concern". Culture Secretary Lisa Nandy previously said that "several" editorial failures "becomes a problem of leadership" during a statement on the BBC's coverage to the Commons. Among the questions, Dame Caroline said: "Before the festival started, did the BBC consider streaming all or part of its Glastonbury coverage with a short time delay, to allow room to respond to events if necessary?" The Conservative MP went on to ask how many BBC staff and contractors were working at Glastonbury or on its coverage, if staff with the authority to cut Bob Vylan's live stream were present during their performance and whether ending the live stream was discussed mid-performance. Dame Caroline then asked: "At what level were the decisions made to not stream Kneecap live and to stream Bob Vylan live, but with a warning on screen?" The letter asked if the BBC had a contingency plan for the event and who was responsible for forming and actioning the plan, before asking if the broadcaster would review its Editorial Guidelines and guidance for live output "to ensure they are fit for live streaming". The Tory MP added: "In summary, what is your personal assessment of what went wrong and what (are the) key lessons that the BBC will take away from the experience of live streaming Glastonbury 2025?" Dame Caroline said she hoped for Mr Davie's response to the questions within two weeks. Avon and Somerset Police said it had launched a probe into both the Bob Vylan and Kneecap performances after reviewing video footage and audio recordings, with a senior detective appointed to lead the investigation. A force spokesman said: "This has been recorded as a public order incident at this time while our inquiries are at an early stage. "The investigation will be evidence-led and will closely consider all appropriate legislation, including relating to hate crimes." In response to criticism of their performance on Tuesday, Bob Vylan said in a statement posted on Instagram that they were being "targeted for speaking up" and that "a good many people would have you believe a punk band is the number one threat to world peace." Article continues below The statement said: "We are not for the death of Jews, Arabs or any other race or group of people. "We are for the dismantling of a violent military machine. A machine whose own soldiers were told to use 'unnecessary lethal force' against innocent civilians waiting for aid. "A machine that has destroyed much of Gaza."


The Guardian
2 hours ago
- The Guardian
Who are Bob Vylan? The British punks who had their US visas revoked for anti-IDF chants
Until this week, the punk-rap duo Bob Vylan were largely unknown by mainstream audiences, despite having a UK top 20 album and an award from British rock magazine Kerrang! for album of the year. Now they've made headlines around the world after frontman Bobby Vylan led a crowd at Glastonbury in chants of 'death, death to the IDF'. The chant was met with widespread condemnation in the UK. Glastonbury festival said the remarks 'crossed a line' and characterized the chant, which targeted the Israel Defense Forces, as antisemitic. Keir Starmer, the prime minister, said the chant was 'appalling' and said groups 'making threats or inciting violence' should not be given a platform. The incident sparked particular outrage because the chant was interpreted as a call for the death of Israeli soldiers. Frontman Bobby Vylan, in an Instagram post on Tuesday, clarified that he was not 'for the death of Jews, Arabs or any other race or group of people'. He wrote: 'We are for the dismantling of a violent military machine. A machine whose own soldiers were told to use 'unnecessary lethal force' against innocent civilians waiting for aid. A machine that has destroyed much of Gaza.' But Avon and Somerset police, who organize policing for Glastonbury, have launched a criminal investigation into whether the comments amounted to a criminal offense. On Monday, the duo, from Ipswich, in the east of England, gained international attention when US deputy secretary of state Christopher Landau said their US visas had been revoked. The group had planned a US tour in the autumn. 'The [state department] has revoked the US visas for the members of the Bob Vylan band in light of their hateful tirade at Glastonbury, including leading the crowd in death chants,' Landau wrote on X. 'Foreigners who glorify violence and hatred are not welcome visitors to our country.' The incident is the latest in a series of controversies over the line between criticism of Israeli action in Gaza, which the UN likens to a genocide, and antisemitism. Some see Bob Vylan's remarks as a incitement to violence against Jews globally, while others see it as valid political speech. The duo, who released their debut album in 2020, go by the aliases Bobby Vylan, the frontman, and Bobbie Vylan, the drummer. Interviewed in the Guardian in 2024 they told Jason Okundaye they deliberately obfuscate their identities to resist what they see as a surveillance state, although Bobby's real name, Pascal Robinson-Foster, has been widely reported since this weekend. Robinson-Foster began his artistic career as a teenager, as a performance poet and grime artist sometimes called Nee-Hi. He was involved in local community outreach projects, mentoring young people in Ipswich and was invited to perform at the Black and Asian Police Association Conference in 2005. He began Bob Vylan after meeting his bandmate in a London bar in 2017 (neither are Bob Dylan fans; they just thought the name was funny). The duo make politically charged music that combines elements of punk, grime, reggae and indie. Much of it is of a sunny, rebellious disposition, with a strong anti-establishment thrust. On 2022's Take That, for example, Robinson-Foster raps 'give Churchill's statue the rope and see if it floats … Yeah, let the bitch drown, got the gammons all feeling sick now, wipe my backside with a St George's flag.' The group have tackled a number of progressive topics in their music, including food poverty, sexism, exploitative landlords and institutional racism. But the movement for Palestinian freedom has always been central to their project. Robinson-Foster told the Guardian in 2024 he attended his first pro-Palestine protest at the age of 15 and remembers a 'feeling of people coming together and using their voice'. He has criticized other bands associated with the left for not being more outspoken on Palestine. Bob Vylan are still an underground group with a relatively small fanbase, but they have released five albums, each more successful than the last. Earlier in 2025 they appeared at Coachella for the first time, a sign of their increasing global popularity. The Glastonbury set, on the West Holts stage, was supposed to be a crowning moment of this success. They were playing before Kneecap, the Irish alternative punk act with whom they share political values and an eagerness to court controversy. Many in the audience brought Palestinian flags – as they did to almost every act at the festival – and the stage's backdrop showed messages such as 'United Nations have called it a genocide. The BBC calls it a 'conflict'.' On Monday, Israel killed at least 30 people at a busy Gaza cafe, and last week killed 18 more at a food distribution centre dispensing flour. Israel has killed at least 61,000 Palestinians since the Hamas terrorist attacks of 7 October, in which an estimated 1,139 Israelis were killed. At one point Robinson-Foster told the crowd: 'Sometimes we have to get our message across with violence, because that's the only language some people speak, unfortunately.' But it was the chants of 'death to the IDF' that led Glastonbury to publicly apologize and the US state department to act. Since the beginning of the Trump administration there has been a draconian crackdown on immigrants, with Ice agents empowered to arrest students and legal migrants on the streets. Amid the crackdown, a number of musicians have complained about increased difficulties in touring the US. In March, members of British punk rock band UK Subs were denied entry into the US, which their bassist Alvin Gibbs said he suspected was due in part to their vocal and frequent opposition to Trump. Also in March, Canadian artist Bells Larsen, who is trans, had to cancel a US tour after receiving legal advice that because US Citizenship and Immigration Services now only recognizes two 'biological sexes – male and female' he would not be able to travel. Larsen had already changed his gender marker on his Canadian passport. Kneecap lost their US visas after they were dropped by their visa sponsor and booking agent Independent Artist Group (IAG). That move came after the group's April Coachella performance, where they displayed messages such as 'Israel is committing genocide against the Palestinian people' and 'Fuck Israel. Free Palestine.' They say they are currently looking for a new visa sponsor. But the incident with Bob Vylan appears to be the first time the US state department has publicly announced it is banning a musical act because of political statements. The group have also been dropped by their agents. New York immigration attorney and music lawyer Matthew Covey told NPR that reports of 'unprecedented Ice enforcement' are prompting artists to bow out of US tours. As well as Glastonbury and Keir Starmer, Bob Vylan have been criticized by politicians and the BBC. Conservative shadow home secretary Chris Philp said it was 'clear' the duo were 'inciting violence and hatred' and should be prosecuted. In the UK, freedom of speech is not protected in the same way as the US, and incitement laws criminalise encouraging a crime. The UK's chief rabbi, Ephraim Mirvis, has condemned the BBC for streaming the performance unedited, called the group's actions 'vile Jew-hatred' and said that the group had 'couch[ed] their outright incitement to violence and hatred as edgy political commentary'. But a number of musicians and commentators have said that the outrage is disproportionate. Australian punk group Amyl and the Sniffers, who also played Glastonbury, said Bob Vylan and Kneecap were being unfairly singled out when pro-Palestinian sentiment was the central theme of the 250,000-strong festival. They said: 'The British media in a frenzy about Bob Vylan and Kneecap, but artists all weekend at Glastonbury, from pop to rock to rap to punk to DJs, spoke up on stage, and there were tons of flags on every streamed set. Trying to make it look like just a couple of isolated incidents and a couple of 'bad bands' so it appears the public isn't as anti-genocide as it is.' Writing in the Guardian, columnist Owen Jones compared the chant by Vylan with the killing by Israeli forces of hundreds of Palestinians seeking food. 'How morally lost is a society in which a chant against a genocidal foreign army provokes a political and media firestorm, but the intentionally starved, unarmed human beings being mowed down on the orders of the IDF high command do not?' he asked. Pascal-Robinson has defended the chants on Instagram, writing: 'We, like those in the spotlight before us, are not the story. We are a distraction from the story. And whatever sanctions we receive will be a distraction … The more time they talk about Bob Vylan, the less time [the UK government] spend answering for their criminal inaction. We are being targeted for speaking up. We are not the first. We will not be the last. And if you care for the sanctity of human life and freedom of speech, we urge you to speak up too. Free Palestine.' The Guardian has contacted Bob Vylan for comment.