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These preppers have ‘go bags,' guns and a fear of global disaster. They're also left-wing

These preppers have ‘go bags,' guns and a fear of global disaster. They're also left-wing

CNN18-06-2025
The day after President Donald Trump was elected in 2016, Eric Shonkwiler looked at his hiking bag to figure out what supplies he had. 'I began to look at that as a resource for escape, should that need to happen,' he said.
He didn't have the terminology for it at the time, but this backpack was his 'bug-out bag' — essential supplies for short-term survival. It marked the start of his journey into prepping. In his Ohio home, which he shares with his wife and a Pomeranian dog, Rosemary, he now has a six-month supply of food and water, a couple of firearms and a brood of chickens. 'Resources to bridge the gap across a disaster,' he said.
Margaret Killjoy's entry point was a bleak warning in 2016 from a scientist friend, who told her climate change was pushing the global food system closer than ever to collapse. Killjoy started collecting food, water and generators. She bought a gun and learned how to use it. She started a prepping podcast, Live Like the World is Dying, and grew a community.
Prepping has long been dominated by those on the political right. The classic stereotype, albeit not always accurate, is of the lone wolf with a basement full of Spam, a wall full of guns, and a mind full of conspiracy theories.
Shonkwiler and Killjoy belong to a much smaller part of the subculture: They are left-wing preppers. This group is also preparing for a doom-filled future, and many also have guns, but they say their prepping emphasizes community and mutual aid over bunkers and isolationism.
In an era of barreling crises — from wars to climate change — some say prepping is becoming increasingly appealing to those on the left.
Bees buzz around a hive in Inshirah Overton's garden in New Jersey.
The roots of modern-day prepping in the United States go back to the 1950s, when fears of nuclear war reached a fever pitch.
The 1970s saw the emergence of the survivalist movement, which dwindled in the 1990s as it became increasingly associated with an extreme-right subculture steeped in racist ideology.
A third wave followed in the early 2000s, when the term 'prepper' began to be adopted more widely, said Michael Mills, a social scientist at Anglia Ruskin University, who specializes in survivalism and doomsday prepping cultures. Numbers swelled following big disasters such as 9/11, Hurricane Katrina in 2005 and the 2008 financial crisis.
A watershed moment for right-wing preppers was the election of Barack Obama in 2008, Mills said. For those on the left, it was Trump's 2016 election.
Preppers of all political stripes are usually motivated by a 'foggy cloud of fear' rather than a belief in one specific doomsday scenario playing out, Mills said. Broad anxieties tend to swirl around the possibility of economic crises, pandemics, natural disasters, war and terrorism.
'We've hit every one of those' since the start of this century, said Anna Maria Bounds, a sociology professor at Queens College, who has written a book about New York's prepper subculture. These events have solidified many preppers' fears that, in times of crisis, the government would be 'overwhelmed, under-prepared and unwilling to help,' she said.
This fear is where Marlon Smith's interest in preparedness began. Growing up in Trinidad, he lived through an attempted coup in 1990 that sparked his concern the government would not be there in times of disaster. This only deepened after he moved to New York City and watched the aftermath of 9/11 and then Hurricane Katrina. 'You see the inability of the government to truly help their citizens,' he said.
Smith, who now lives in New Jersey, runs a fashion company by day and spends his weekends teaching survival skills — including how to survive nuclear fallout. 'People find it funny that I work in women's evening wear and yet I do this hardcore prepping and survivalism in the woods,' he said.
It's hard to pin down the exact number of preppers in the US. Mills says 5 million is a reasonable estimate; others would saymuch higher. Chris Ellis, a military officer and academic who researches disaster preparedness, puts the figure at around 20 to 23 million using data from FEMA household surveys.
Figuring out the proportion of preppers on the left is perhaps even trickier. Mills, who has surveyed 2,500 preppers over the past decade, has consistently found about 80% identify as conservatives, libertarians or another right-wing ideology. He doesn't see any dramatic upswing in left-wing preppers.
Anecdotal evidence, however, points to increased interest from this side of the political spectrum.
Several left-wing preppers told CNN about the burgeoning popularity of their newsletters, social media channels and prepping courses. Shonkwiler says subscriber numbers to his newsletter When/If increase exponentially whenever right-wing views make headlines, especially elections. He saw a huge uptick when Trump was reelected.
Smith has noticed more liberals among his growing client roster for prepping courses. He has an upcoming session teaching a group in the Hamptons — 'all Democrats,' he said.
Smith is at pains to keep politics out of prepping, however, and makes his clients sign a waiver agreeing not to talk about it. 'You leave your politics and your religion at the door. … You come here to learn; I'll teach you,' he said.
In some ways, there aren't huge differences in how preppers on the left and right prepare, Mills said. Both focus on long-term supplies of food and water, gathering equipment needed to 'bug in,' when they shelter in their homes, and 'bug out,' when they need to leave in a hurry.
Many left-wing preppers also have guns.
Killjoy is open about the fact she owns firearms but calls it one of the least important aspects of her prepping. She lives in rural Appalachia and, as a transgender woman, says the way she's treated has changed dramatically since Trump's first election. For those on the left, guns are 'for community and self-defense,' she said.
Left-wing preppers consistently say the biggest difference between them and their right-wing peers is the rejection of 'bunker mentality' — the idea of filling a bunker with beans, rice, guns and ammo and expecting to be able to survive the apocalypse alone.
Shonkwiler gives an example of a right-wing guy with a rifle on his back, who falls down the stairs and breaks a leg. If he doesn't have medical training and a community to help, 'he's going to die before he gets to enjoy all his freeze-dried food.'
'People are our greatest asset,' Killjoy said. When Hurricane Helene carved a path of destruction through Asheville, North Carolina in 2024, Killjoy, who used to live in the city, loaded her truck with food and generators and drove there to help.
Inshirah Overton also subscribes to the idea of community. The attorney, who came to prepping after enduring Hurricane Irene in 2011, owns a half-acre plot of land in New Jersey where she grows food and has beehives.
She stores fruit, vegetables and honey but also gives them to friends and neighbors. 'My plan is to create a community of people who have a vested interest in this garden,' she said.
At one point, Overton toyed with the idea of buying a 'bug-out' property in Vermont, somewhere to escape to, but desire for community for her and her two daughters stopped her. In Vermont, 'no one knows me and I'm just a random Black lady, and they'll be like: 'Oh, OK, right, sure. You live here? Sure. Here's the barrel of my shotgun. Turn around.''
This focus on community may stem in part from left-wing preppers' growing fears around the climate crisis, predicted to usher in far-reaching ecological, social and economic breakdown. It cannot be escaped by retreating to a bunker for a few weeks.
As Trump guts weather agencies, pledges to unwind the Federal Emergency Management Administration and slashes climate funding — all while promising to unleash the fossil fuel industry — climate concerns are only coming into sharper focus.
They're top of mind for Brekke Wagoner, the creator and host of the Sustainable Prepping YouTube channel, who lives in North Carolina with her four children. She fears increasingly deadly summer heat and the 'once-in-a-lifetime' storms that keep coming. Climate change 'is just undeniable,' she said.
Her prepping journey started during Trump's first term. She was living in California and filled with fear that in the event of a big natural disaster, the federal government would simply not be there.
Her house now contains a week's worth of water, long-term food supplies, flashlights, backup batteries and a solar generator. 'My goal is for our family to have all of our needs cared for,' she said, so in an emergency, whatever help is available can go to others.
'You can have a preparedness plan that doesn't involve a bunker and giving up on civilization,' she said.
A bow and a quiver of arrows hang on a rack at Shonkwiler's home.
Despite prepping's reputation as a form of doomerism, many left-wing preppers say they are not devoid of hope. Shonkwiler believes there will be an opportunity to create something new in the aftermath of a crisis. 'It begins with preparedness and it ends with a better world,' he said.
Some also say there's less tension between left- and right-wing preppers than people might expect. Bounds, the sociology professor, said very conservative preppers she met during her research contacted her during the Covid-19 pandemic to offer help.
There is a natural human solidarity that emerges amid disaster, Killjoy said. She recalls a cashier giving her a deep discount on supplies she was buying to take to Asheville post-Helene. 'I have every reason to believe that that man is right-wing, and I do think that there is a transcending of political differences that happens in times of crisis,' she said.
As terrifying events pile up, from the wars in Ukraine and the Middle East to deadly extreme weather, it's hard to escape the sense we live in a time of rolling existential crises — often a hair's breadth from global disaster.
People are increasingly beginning to wonder whether their views on preppers have been misconceived, Mills said. 'There is a bigger question floating in the air, which is: Are preppers crazy, or is everyone else?'
Shonkwiler displays a cabinet of supplies he keeps in his basement.
Killjoy has seen a huge change over the last five years in people's openness to prepping. Those who used to make fun of her for her 'go bag' are now asking for advice.
It's not necessarily the start of a prepping boom, she said. 'I think it is about more and more people adopting preparedness and prepper things into a normal life.'
Evidence already points this way. Americans stockpiled goods in advance of Trump's tariffs and online sales of contraceptives skyrocketed in the wake of his election, amid concerns he would reduce access. Shows like 'The Walking Dead,' meanwhile, have thrust the idea of prepping into popular culture and big box stores now sell prepping equipment and meal kits.
People are hungry to learn about preparedness, said Shonkwiler. 'They have the understanding that the world as we knew it, and counted on it, is beginning to cease to be. … What we need to be doing now is figuring out how we can survive in the world that we've created.'
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Newkirk: Oh, you think so? Newkirk: Le-Ann's mom, Patricia, is there behind me. Hills: Very smart. Yes. Newkirk: Mm-hmm. Hills: Very smart. Just like her mom, very smart. Williams: Yeah, I'm proud of her. (Laughs.) I am. I'm a proud parent. Like, you know, you tell your child things, and you know it go in one ear and out the other sometimes. But when they actually listen and do what you say, that's a blessing. Newkirk: And we heard, you told us Destiny just got your first job, right? Richardson: Yeah. Newkirk: How long you been working there? Richardson: Probably like, what, a month or two now? Williams: About two months. Richardson: About two months. Newkirk: So what's that, two, three paychecks so far? Richardson: Yeah, I think so Williams: Three paychecks. Richardson: Yeah. Newkirk: All right, how does that feel? Richardson: Good. It feels good to have your own money (Laughs.) and buy your own self stuff. I like my job, though. It's nice. It's fun. And then you meet a lot of people from, like, all over the world, cause there is like a tourism mall. Newkirk: In a lot of ways, Destiny is just like any other 16-year-old. She wants to get her license. She had a little marching-band drama. She's spending those paychecks. She goes to the mall with her friends. But she's also dealing with things that would be hard for anyone, let alone a teenager. She's coping with loss and has witnessed her fair share of violence. Aside from the get-togethers her mom organizes, she doesn't always have the same closeness to family that Le-Ann did before the flood. It's like there's some ghost of Katrina that haunts parts of her life. It's eerie to see that ghost whenever she watches the old footage in documentaries. Newkirk: How do you think about Katrina? What's the first thing that comes to mind? Richardson: A disaster. 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She likes to poke fun at her mother for being skittish whenever a storm comes around. But Le-Ann says she's learned her lesson. She's evacuating every time. It doesn't matter how much Destiny jokes about it. Richardson: She'll leave even if it's a one-category storm—hurricane. She'd be so scared: We leaving, let's go, we leaving. We ain't waiting to see if it gets stronger or not. We leaving. Williams: But she never experienced something like that before, and she never will, because we're leaving. Richardson: She leaving. She says she sure won't go through nothing like that again. Williams: I don't care what! No, indeed, I have a child, so I know how my mom and them felt. Hills: You know, I just remember my baby being scared. Newkirk: Le-Ann and Patricia walked through the floodwaters together. They have a shared story, and shared memories that I'd heard before, from Le-Ann. Now, hearing things from Patricia's point of view, as a parent myself, helped me really understand just how agonizing it all was. Hills: She was the oldest and she got the most experiences, and she knew about it and she was scared and stuff like that. Williams: Yes indeed. Hills: When Hurricane Katrina hit and I just remember my baby being scared and asking if Momma, we going to die? And I said, No, we're not. Honey, I said, God got us. We gonna get outta here. Newkirk: In that moment, Le-Ann had come to understand just how vulnerable she was. It wasn't just the storm or the flood. The city and the federal government had turned their backs on her. It all left a mark. Williams: I said, They gonna leave us here to die. They don't care. I, I said, I hear stories about, oh, you, you know, Black and this and that and poor communities and you know, these things I hear about, but they actually go through something and live it—that's something different. Like, Nobody's coming to save us? I mean, newborn babies out there, they have dead bodies just laying—older folks can't take it. They just dropping. I'm like, My God, this is real. Newkirk: And so you said, Never again to that. Williams: I'm not taking—she's not going through that. She's not. Now, just in her mind to worry about something like that, so young, to worry if she's gonna die or if somebody's coming to save—no, she would never. Not if I have breath in my body. She's not waiting on nobody to rescue her. I'm gonna be the one. [ Music ] Newkirk: When I last sat down with Le-Ann, way back in 2020, I played her tape from my interview with the ex–FEMA director Michael Brown. Michael Brown (Floodlines clip): So you tell Le-Ann I'm sorry, but you tell Le-Ann that her responsibility is to understand the nature of the risk where she lives and to be prepared for it. Knowing that somebody's not going to come—the shining knight in armor is not going to come and rescue her when that fear sets in. Newkirk: It feels like Le-Ann's response to that is to become the knight in shining armor for everyone else. To take care of people. To make sure that her daughter and her family never feel abandoned like she did. I asked her if she saw Destiny's childhood as like an alternate-reality version of her own, one without that abandonment. Newkirk: You were 14 when you had to leave the city. Destiny is 16. Do you see, maybe, in Destiny what that childhood could have been like without that disaster? Williams: I think about it. I used to think about it a lot—like, where would I have ended up? Would my life, you know, still be the same? Or would I have went off to college like my daughter wants to do? But now I'm like, I'm where I'm supposed to be exactly. This is where God wants me to be, you know? I'm where I'm supposed to be today. [ Break ] Williams (Floodlines clip): It's crazy. There's nowhere in the world I'd rather be than here. I love it. It's my home. It's my home. I love New Orleans. I done been to Arizona, Texas, Mississippi after Katrina. Nothing like New Orleans. Nothing's like New Orleans. Newkirk: One of the things Le-Ann talks about a lot is how much she loves her new neighborhood. She says it's safer, and her street is quiet and peaceful. And it's a bit closer to where she grew up. Newkirk: It's better out here? Williams: Yeah, it's much better. Newkirk: It's pretty out here, and you got the levee right there. You was on the levees in the east, too, so you go up on both. (Laughs.) You still go up there with daiquiris or not? Williams: (Laughs.) We have wine. We have wine. Newkirk: You have wine? Okay, so it's a classy establishment. We have wine. Williams: Yes, wine. We have our wine nights. Newkirk: Now Destiny's the one who goes up to the levee most often, but to walk her mom's dog, an adorable French bulldog named Frenchy. Richardson: No, right here! Newkirk: Right up there? Richardson: Nah, right here. Newkirk: I wanted to check it out, so we took a walk together. It's not like the levee at the old place, where you could climb up and see into the water, which Le-Ann loved to do. But up here, maybe it's best that the water is out of sight. The levees here overlook the Industrial Canal, where it meets the lake. It's a critical point in the complex system of flood control that defines New Orleans. In 2005, certain parts of this very neighborhood stood under 15 feet of water after the levees were overtopped. There's a new floodgate now, built by the good old Army Corps of Engineers, that's supposed to stop that from happening again. Le-Ann is not so sure. Williams: We're sitting in a bowl. Mississippi, Pontchartrain—we're just surrounded by water. We're below sea level. So just imagine, the water's on top of us, and the city's just down here. The water sits like that, so that's why we're below sea level, so the wind is just going down. You can't go up; you're going down! So that's the scary thing about, too, where we live. We're below sea level. I told you that before. Richardson: Yeah. Williams: Like, I explained it. Richardson: Now you see why I won't stay down here? That's another cue for me to go. Williams: Keep moving, huh? Newkirk: Destiny is kinda over it. She's heard a lot about Katrina from her mother. When she was younger, Le-Ann even made her sit through a class she put together for Destiny and her friends. Williams: Yeah, I had a classroom. I fed them every day. They had lunch and everything, breakfast. They had their lunchtime and then they had their time when their parents come pick them up. Newkirk: So were you rolling your eyes? Richardson: Was I? Williams: And one day we had—they watched the documentary of Katrina and they had to write about it, like different things. Richardson: Yes. My grandpa Jeffrey was in the documentary! Walking in the water with my auntie. Williams: He was walking with auntie. He in there. Newkirk: Even with all the teenage eye-rolling, you can tell Destiny is proud of her family's story, especially of her grandfather. And that brought Le-Ann and Destiny back to talking about Jeffrey. About how much he meant to them, and how he represented what New Orleans used to be. They pulled up a video of his funeral and started reminiscing. Williams: The band came in the funeral home. Newkirk: Oh wow! Williams: Look at how packed it was. Richardson: It was so pretty. Williams: My pastor say, I've never seen a celebration like this, my God! The band come in the funeral home? Richardson: Yes, that was nice. [ Music ] Newkirk: Standing here in the grass, by the levees, the sun slipping behind a cloud, we watched together. Richardson: They had so many people out there and so many people in the funeral home. Williams: When they opened the door. Richardson: When they open the door, that's when you really saw the people. All the people wasn't even in the funeral home. Williams: Yes. Richardson: They had beaucoup people standing outside. Williams: He was well known—a tuba player. Richardson: They had 11 tubas out there for him. Newkirk: Oh, wow. Newkirk: It seems to me like they weren't just mourning Jeffrey, but also how they'd lived, and who they were. It got Le-Ann to thinking about her childhood in the Sixth Ward, and to telling Destiny stories she'd already heard 100 times. Williams: We just did that. If my cousin had a tambourine, we'll sit on a curb and they'll just make a beat. And we'll just start doing, like, little songs and stuff like that. That's what we did with each other. We all say something. Richardson: Y'all, it's raining. Newkirk: And then it started to rain. Newkirk: We got to move. Williams: Look at that. Oh Lord, we don't want the sugar to melt, huh? Newkirk: I got a gel in my hair. What you talking about? Williams: Okay! Newkirk: We split up, and dried out for a little bit. I put some more gel in my hair. [ Music ] Newkirk: In the evening, we met back up with Le-Ann and Destiny at an ice-cream parlor uptown. Richardson: S he's getting a Creole Clown. He's dressed up like a clown, the ice cream. I want to take a picture of him for the aesthetic. Newkirk: Destiny did get that Creole Clown ice cream. For the aesthetic. Newkirk: So they serve it upside down? Richardson: And they got whipped cream. Williams: Girl, he is too cute. Richardson: Yes. Newkirk: I thought it would be nice to end my time with Le-Ann and Destiny with an ice cream. Back during Katrina, when Le-Ann was escaping the flood, after she'd waded through rat-infested waters, cut her foot stepping on something sharp, and climbed up onto the baking-hot freeway, she saw a man with a cooler who handed her and her family ice creams. Williams (Floodlines clip): He saying, Ice cream! Ice cream! It's hot. I got ice cream, cold drinks, and water! Come on, baby. Get y'all something to drink, and, I know y'all, you know, thirsty and stuff. Newkirk: She told us she got a strawberry shortcake. Williams (Floodlines clip): A strawberry shortcake. You know? You ever had one of those? Yeah. It's good. I got one of them. Newkirk: The moment has always stuck with me as a symbol of how we misunderstand disaster and, by extension, what really happened during Katrina. There's still, even today, a misconception that disasters—that this disaster in particular brought out the worst in people. That it exposed some latent savagery or lack of morals. But what I've seen, over and over again, is that Katrina really showed just how much people loved each other. How much they loved their communities and their city. What was exposed, though, was how little the country and that city loved them. It feels like, in her own way, Le-Ann is trying to rectify that. Newkirk: Do you feel like you are like the heart of the family now? Williams: Yes. And sometimes that get overwhelming. It does. Newkirk: What do you do when you feel overwhelmed? Williams: Pray. I pray a lot. Newkirk: She's overwhelmed a lot. Being the person everyone else relies on is hard, and it can feel like every single thing is on her shoulders. She's doing her best to take up the role Jeffrey played, but now she understands how much of a toll that takes on a person. Williams: It feel like I'm always responsible for everybody, like, everybody. And sometimes I'm like, Who responsible for Le-Ann? You know, having everybody's back and making sure everybody's good. And sometimes you're like, you know, Who has my back? Newkirk: But she also takes pride now in the fact that people around the city know her and know her story. Newkirk: Do you feel like, you know, between us and all the other stuff, are you—would you call yourself an ambassador now for New Orleans, for the city? Williams: Yes, I want to put my city on; I wanna, you know, bring light to my people, you know, in New Orleans, no matter what race you is or not, because we family down here, and I just want to bring attention to that. [ Music ] Newkirk: Le-Ann still believes in her city, and she wants to stake a new claim to it. She wants to own her own home in New Orleans. She's working as a phlebotomist, and doing her best to support everybody and build up her credit. Williams: It's going to take a minute, but I'm going to do it. Newkirk: So ideally, what's your dream house look like? Williams: Oh. Look, I think about it all the time when I just see houses. I'm like, Oh my God, I can't wait to —especially to have something that, you know, that I got that I can probably leave my child. You know, something I can call my own. Me and Destiny, we right by the lake, we love looking at those houses. We just go through looking at houses, like Oh my God. Richardson: We'll be like, Ooh that pool big, their backyard big. That house so big! Williams: Oh my God, this is living right here. We just, you know— Newkirk: What color is your dream door? Williams: I want to say red. (Laughs.) Richardson: Red? Williams: Old-school. Richardson: Yes. Newkirk: She wants a red door, just like her grandma's house on Dumaine Street had. Richardson: A big, big backyard. Williams: We have to have a big backyard. Ooh, yes, indeed. My family is big—I got to have a big backyard. Newkirk: Le-Ann wants to be able to leave Destiny something of her own in New Orleans. But Destiny is looking at colleges out of state. Newkirk: So Destiny, if you leave, do you ever see yourself coming back? Richardson: Probably not. I'll probably come back for like, events and stuff—probably, like, Mardi Gras and all that. But as far as coming back to stay, no. Newkirk: It's the place where mother and daughter seem to differ most. Le-Ann was forced across the country, and then across the city, and has spent her whole life since trying to get back. Destiny wants to see the world for herself, to get out. She's working hard in school, and she's looking at colleges out of state. She's got the grades to leave. Newkirk: Have you taken any visits yet? Richardson: No, I ain't taken no visits yet. They be emailing me and stuff for visits, but I haven't took no visits. Williams: They gave her $500. Richardson: Oh yeah, I had got one of CASE scholarships for Mercer. It's at home in the envelope. Yeah, and if I go there, they'll give me $2,000 more, plus the scholarship I've been built up on when I graduate. Newkirk: You already getting scholarships? Richardson: Yeah. Newkirk: She's saying it real low-key-like. All right. Newkirk: But still, for as much as Destiny maybe wants to get out of New Orleans, she's got her mother's story with her. She might not know Katrina firsthand, but she knows the importance of taking care of people. Newkirk: Anybody tell y'all y'all are pretty similar? Richardson: Yeah, I hear that a lot. Newkirk: (Laughs.) Richardson: They say our personalities are similar. Williams: My cousin tell me all the time, she was like, You're hard on her, but she's really strong minded. You don't have to worry about her. Destiny knows her way. She was like, You need to give her more credit than what you're doing because she, you know, she's a good kid. Newkirk: Do you—when people compare you to your mother, is that something where you roll your eyes? Richardson: Yes, I be like, Oh my God. (Laughs.) They'd be, like, Aw, girl, you act just like your mama and how she acted when she was younger, but just a little bit more—better or something. I was like, Ah, girl. Here they go with this again. Newkirk: Le-Ann wants to protect Destiny, and to give her the things she didn't have. But I wonder if maybe she's got it backwards. Maybe her family has the thing that other families, rich and poor, Black and white, need. Maybe they've got what other people are searching for. The things we lost in our own personal floods over the past five years: family, community, and connection. We lost memory; we lost time. What we need is care. Newkirk: So how was the ice cream? Richardson: That was good. Williams: It was. Richardson: I'm gonna most definitely get that again. Newkirk: The clown, the clown was solid? Richardson: Yeah, he's still got his eyes and his hat. Newkirk: Okay. If I could eat dairy, you know— Richardson: You can't eat dairy? You should've told me! I would have picked something else. (Laughs.) Newkirk: No, this is fine. This is fine. Look, between the dairy and the shellfish, I come here and I fast. Newkirk: We finished our ice creams and walked out into the summer. And then Le-Ann and Destiny went home. [ Music ] Floodlines is a production of The Atlantic. This episode was reported and produced by me and Jocelyn Frank. The executive producer of audio, and our editor, is Claudine Ebeid. Our managing editor is Andrea Valdez. Fact-check by Will Gordon. Music by Chief Adjuah and Anthony Braxton. Sound design, mix, and additional music by David Herman. Special thanks to Nancy DeVille. You can support our work, and the work of all Atlantic journalists, when you subscribe to The Atlantic at

‘Despicable' terrorist who bragged about helping Osama bin Laden plan 9/11 could be free in days
‘Despicable' terrorist who bragged about helping Osama bin Laden plan 9/11 could be free in days

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‘Despicable' terrorist who bragged about helping Osama bin Laden plan 9/11 could be free in days

A terrorist who bragged about helping Osama bin Laden mastermind the 9/11 attacks could be freed from a UK prison within days — despite officials declaring him a 'risk to national security.' Haroon Aswat — who previously set up an al-Qaeda training camp in the US — is set to be released from a secure psychiatric hospital unit where he's currently locked up in the UK after he completes mental health treatment, The Sun reported. 4 Haroon Aswat, 50, is set to be released from the secure psychiatric hospital unit where he's currently locked up after he completes mental health treatment, The Sun reported. Shutterstock The twisted terrorist will be cut loose without a full risk assessment because of a legal loophole under the country's Mental Health Act — a decision that's sparked widespread fury. 'This despicable man was behind one of the most deadly attacks in modern history. He should never experience freedom again,' the country's shadow justice secretary, Robert Jenrick, said. In 2015, Aswat — a known associate of bin Laden — was sentenced to 20 years in a US prison after he admitted to trying to start an al-Qaeda training camp in Oregon. While locked up in the US, he apparently confessed to helping to plot the despicable Sept. 11 attacks that killed thousands in New York as well as the 2005 bombings in the UK that left 52 people dead. 'In March 2017 the defendant stated, 'if you think I am a terrorist, I don't shy away from my responsibility' and also stated he was a mastermind behind the 9/11 attacks and a 2005 terrorist attack in the UK,' the court papers stated. 4 Convicted al-Qaeda terrorist Haroon Rashid Aswat in ICE custody in 2022. Immigration and Customs Enforcement 4 The impact of the second plane hitting the World Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001. Tamara Beckwith/New York Post 4 While locked up in the US, he apparently confessed to helping plot the deadly 9/11 attacks on American soil, as well as the 2005 bombings in the UK that left 52 people dead. Getty Images He was deported back to the UK in 2022 after being visited in prison by a British psychiatrist. Despite British terror police assessing Aswat and warning that he continues to be a security risk, a judge recently determined his release was expected in the 'relatively near future' under the country's mental health laws. Still, Aswat will only be subjected to a notification order upon his release — meaning he'll just have to register his address and notify cops of any future travel plans.

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