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The Hindu
6 days ago
- Entertainment
- The Hindu
How a Donald Trump comment during FIFA Club World Cup can make USA finally start calling soccer 'football'
It is the world's most popular sport and yet there is still debate over what it should actually be called. Is it football or soccer? United States of America President Donald Trump waded into the topic while at the FIFA Club World Cup final in New Jersey last Sunday. He joked that he could pass an executive order to bring the United States in line with much of the rest of the world and ensure that from now on Americans refer to it as football. 'I think I could do that,' he said with a smile during an interview with host broadcaster DAZN. It was a light-hearted comment, but at a time when the U.S. is playing an increasingly significant role in football the question of why Americans continue to call it by a different name to the one by which it is most commonly known has been raised again. 'They call it football, we call it soccer. I'm not sure that change could be made very easily,' Trump said. ALSO READ | Club World Cup 2025: Blues win on Palmer power Football keeps growing in the U.S. and so does its influence on the sport. It is co-hosting the FIFA men's World Cup with Canada and Mexico next year — the third year in a row that it stages a major tournament after the 2024 Copa America and this summer's Club World Cup. Other factors are keeping soccer more often in the U.S. consciousness -- and perhaps they will make saying 'football' more commonplace in a tough sporting landscape. Messi in MLS One of the greatest players of all time, Lionel Messi, plays for MLS team Inter Miami; the popularity of the Premier League and Champions League is booming; and the documentary series 'Welcome to Wrexham' about a low-level Welsh club co-owned by Hollywood actors Ryan Reynolds and Rob McElhenney, has attracted new eyeballs. ALSO READ | Club World Cup 2025: A reality check for FIFA ahead of 2026 World Cup Etymology of 'soccer' Despite 'soccer' being widely associated with the U.S., it is commonly accepted that the word was actually coined in Britain, perhaps as far back as the 1880s. The exact date when it was first used is not known, but it is believed 'soccer' was derived from 'association football,' which was the first official name of the sport. The charity English Heritage says the nickname may have first been used by pupils at the iconic Harrow School to 'distinguish the new association game from their older pursuit, known as 'footer.'' Numerous versions of football began to flourish, often involving handling a ball more than kicking it. One example dating back to the 1600s and still played today in England is Royal Shrovetide. Rugby is another example. FILE PHOTO: England great and 1966 World Cup winner Bobby Charlton ran popular schools for decades, titled 'Bobby Charlton's Soccer School.' | Photo Credit: Getty Images The English Football Association was created in 1863 and drew up codified rules for associated football to set it apart from other versions being played elsewhere in Britain and, from there, soccer as we know it was born. Dr. Stefan Szymanski, a professor of sport management at the University of Michigan, wrote the book 'It's Football, Not Soccer (And Vice Versa)' and explored the origins of the name. In a lecture to the American University of Beirut in 2019 he said soccer was 'very clearly a word of English/British origin.' 'And bear in mind that the name 'association football' doesn't really appear until the 1870s,' he said, 'so it appears really very early on in the history of the game and the word 'soccer' has been used over and over again since it was coined at the end of the 19th century.' 'Soccer' is not a commonly used term in Britain these days but that has not always been the case. It was the title of a popular Saturday morning television show, 'Soccer AM,' which ran from 1994 to 2023 on the Premier League's host broadcaster Sky Sports. England great and 1966 World Cup winner Bobby Charlton ran popular schools for decades, titled 'Bobby Charlton's Soccer School.' And Matt Busby — Manchester United's iconic manager who won the 1968 European Cup — titled his autobiography, which was published in 1974, 'Soccer at the Top, My Life in Football.' That book title suggests the terms 'soccer' and 'football' were interchangeable in British culture at that time. 'Soccer' around the world Szymanski suggested the problem some people have with 'soccer' isn't the word at all. But rather that it is specifically used in America. 'It's when Americans use this word that we get the outpourings of distress and horror, and one of the most popular thoughts that people throw at this is to say that American football is not really football,' he said in his lecture. He argued that given the overwhelming popularity of the NFL in the U.S. it makes perfect sense to differentiate between soccer and its own version of football. FILE PHOTO: Australia, which has its own Australian rules football along with both rugby codes, commonly uses the term and its national men's team are known as the Socceroos. It's soccer federation, however, is called Football Australia. | Photo Credit: Robert Cianflone The use of the word 'soccer' is a bit more confused in other countries. Australia, which has its own Australian rules football along with both rugby codes, commonly uses the term and its national men's team are known as the Socceroos. It's soccer federation, however, is called Football Australia. It's a similar situation in Ireland, where Gaelic football is popular. The term 'soccer' is used but the national soccer team is still governed by a body called the Football Association of Ireland. Canada, like the U.S. simply calls it soccer, which clearly distinguishes it from the NFL and Canadian Football League.
Time of India
08-07-2025
- Entertainment
- Time of India
EA FC Mobile reveals 11 Ragnarok Mighty Winter Week 1 promo cards featuring all Icons and Heroes
EA Sports has officially kicked off the Ragnarok: Mighty Winter phase in FC Mobile with a powerful start, revealing the Week 1 promo cards during a livestream hosted by developers "Antwan" and "Tak" on the game's official YouTube channel. The first look at the promo cards can come as a surprise to the community, not because of who's missing from the event, but because the main featured promo image displays only Icons and Heroes, completely leaving out the live players who are also part of this phase. This article lists all cards, ranging from 108 to 111, that feature in the first promo of EA FC Mobile Ragnarok: Mighty Winter. All Featured promo cards of EA FC Mobile Ragnarok Mighty Winter Week 1 The promotional image shown in the livestream includes 8 Icons and 3 Heroes, featuring some of football's most legendary names in history. Here's the full list based on the official reveal: Icons 111 OVR CAM – Bobby Charlton 111 OVR LW – George Best 111 OVR RB – Carlos Alberto Torres 111 OVR ST – Ferenc Puskás 111 OVR ST – Didier Drogba 110 OVR CM – Frank Lampard 110 OVR CDM – Roy Keane 110 OVR RM – Gheorghe Hagi Heroes 110 OVR CM – Ledley King 109 OVR CM – Guti (José María Gutiérrez) 108 OVR CAM – Abedi Pelé These cards span multiple leagues, eras, and play styles, offering a rich blend of football royalty for players to build their squads around. All eleven cards featured are non-live, setting a serious tone for how special this event's upper tier is going to be. While the image might suggest otherwise, live players are very much part of the Ragnarok Week 1 release. However, EA Sports has chosen to spotlight only the Icons and Heroes in the featured artwork, perhaps to build anticipation around the high-tier cards and give the event a legendary, Norse-inspired tone. by Taboola by Taboola Sponsored Links Sponsored Links Promoted Links Promoted Links You May Like local network access control Expertinspector Learn More Undo Expect live players to appear in event chapters and offer more balanced or grindable routes for free-to-play users, while the featured icons and heroes could dominate premium packs and milestone rewards. The Ragnarok: Mighty Winter phase is shaping up to be one of the most Icon-heavy and power-centric events in recent FC Mobile memory. With Week 1 launching on July 10, 2025 players can gear up for one of the most epic card releases yet—featuring timeless greats like Best, Charlton, and Drogba, backed by fan-favorite heroes like Abedi Pelé. If this is just the beginning, the coming weeks of Ragnarok are likely to bring even more thunder. Game On Season 1 continues with Mirabai Chanu's inspiring story. Watch Episode 2 here.
The Guardian
06-07-2025
- Sport
- The Guardian
How a Colombian podcast shed light on Bobby Moore and the ‘bracelet of Bogotá'
It remains one of the most notorious and unresolved episodes in World Cup history. Now diplomatic cables have emerged in Colombia shedding fresh light on the diplomatic frenzy caused by the arrest of Bobby Moore, then captain of the reigning champions, England, days before the start of the 1970 tournament in Mexico. The previously unseen documents show how Moore's trip to the Fuego Verde jewellery shop in Bogotá, the Colombian capital, sparked a desperate campaign from the British Foreign Office to free the West Ham centre-back. The enormous pressure exerted on Colombia by the Foreign Office may have swayed the judge's decision in the case, a new podcast series El Capitán y el Brazalete de Esmeraldas (The Captain and the Emerald Bracelet) concluded. The podcast hears from the shop assistant, Clara Padilla, who accused Moore of swiping the £600 emerald bracelet while accompanied by Bobby Charlton and another teammate. Padilla broke her silence for the first time in more than 50 years, shortly before she died of cancer in February, to maintain that Moore had indeed taken the bracelet five decades ago. 'I just wanted people to know that I was never lying, I never accused Bobby Moore falsely,' she told the podcast days before her death. 'I know what I saw.' The allegations that Moore had casually stolen the jewellery on the eve of the World Cup threatened to prevent him from travelling to Mexico, potentially derailing England's chances of defending the trophy and sending the English tabloids into a frenzy. Leading theories included the Brazilian Football Association conspiring to eliminate their toughest potential opponents or that Colombia's murky emerald trade was trying to squeeze money out of Moore. At the time Moore said only: 'I'm not too sure what it's all about. As far as I can make out, there's nothing in it. I can assure you of that.' But Moore's biographer, Jeff Powell, wrote in a later edition of his book that 'perhaps one of the younger lads with the squad did something foolish, a prank with unfortunate circumstances', hinting that Moore had told a different version of events to him. The cables examined by the podcast add weight to the theory that the scandal was a team prank that blew out of control. They also suggest the investigation could have been swayed in Moore's favour by intense diplomatic pressure, with Colombian officials doing whatever they could to bury the investigation. In one telegram at the height of the scandal, the British ambassador, Richard Rogers, told London that officials from Colombia's national intelligence agency had assured him 'no legal action would be taken without consultation with the embassy', adding: 'We also ensured that the magistrate concerned was privately made aware of the awkward implications of the case for Colombia because of the strong interest of British and world public opinion.' The document shows the UK was strongly reminding Colombia that it was set to host the 1986 World Cup and the scandal could tarnish its global image and burn its chances of hosting the tournament. Others suggest their diplomatic reach extended further. In a later telegram, Rogers said the director of Colombia's national intelligence agency, Gen Luis Etilio Leyva, had paid a visit to the judge overseeing the case. With the green light from the president and foreign minister – both under pressure from the UK – Leyva warned Judge Pedro Dorado of the political consequences of jailing Moore. The idea that Padilla had framed Moore quickly became 'the official story', said Camilo Macías, one of the podcast's producers. 'Moore had the full backing of the British and Colombian governments, Colombian police and intelligence agencies, the British and Colombian media, and much of the public opinion on both sides. Against this overwhelming chorus, Clara's voice was buried.' Moore was released three days before the tournament kicked off in the Azteca. Even Harold Wilson, the British prime minister, was abreast of the events, fearing if the government did not get Moore on a plane to Mexico City, Labour could lose the next election. Documents show Foreign Office officials became uncomfortable with the PM's involvement. Sign up to Football Daily Kick off your evenings with the Guardian's take on the world of football after newsletter promotion As the face of the supposedly dirty plot to frame Moore, Padilla's photo was splashed across the front page of the Daily Mirror. The 24-year-old was vilified at home, too, where Colombians adored British footballers after several English players, including the Manchester United winger Charlie Mitten, played for the Bogotá side Independiente Santa Fe. Padilla says she was forced to leave for the US, where she had lived ever since, after receiving up to 15 phone calls a day as well as numerous death threats. 'I was a victim for many, many years of being accused of all kinds of horrible things. The worst one was that I was lying, that I was trying to destroy Bobby Moore,' she told the podcast. Close to her death from cancer, Padilla maintained that she told no lie and revealed previously untold details of how Moore snatched the bracelet. 'They came in and two of them sat down to flirt and distract me,' Padilla said, alleging that two of the England pranksters turned on their charm to compliment her English language skills and her good looks. 'Bobby Moore was there in the door where the display cabinet was and I saw him open the cabinet, take the bracelet and put it in his pocket, looking at me the whole time. It was like he was teasing me.' Sir Keith Morris, chargé d'affaires at the time, has insisted the UK did not exert undue pressure on its Colombian counterparts but admitted the case was given special attention given the team were national heroes. 'Would we have done quite as much for any British citizen? No. But there was a national interest involved,' Morris said. 'He [Judge Pedro Dorado] was, I am sure, aware of Colombian public opinion on the subject. He found a solution to fit the case.'
BBC News
16-06-2025
- Sport
- BBC News
'It's something you carry' - Gomes on Man Utd history
Eight years on from his debut and Angel Gomes will never forget his Manchester United capped by England and set for a move to Marseille, he remains a player firmly on the leaving Old Trafford for Lille five years ago, Gomes says he still owes a lot to his football education in Manchester."From the moment you step into the place, the coaches are telling you about the history of the club," explains Gomes."The Busby Babes, they show you pictures of George Best and Bobby Charlton. The culture is set early."You know everything about the club and what it represents. It's just something that you carry."After limited first team chances, Gomes left for France in 2020 and has gone on to establish himself as a top whilst he is aware of the significance of playing for Manchester United, he feels several factors can impact a players success at Old Trafford."Players may have been intimidated or not really know about the weight [of the shirt], what it carries and what it takes."But ultimately, sometimes, it's down to environment, timing and having the right things in place to help you."Sometimes it's not as black and white as they failed or they've not held their own there because of the weight of the shirt."Read more from the interview here
Telegraph
15-06-2025
- Sport
- Telegraph
Farokh Engineer: I don't know how Clive Lloyd and I are still alive, we were party animals
The difficult part about writing up an interview with Farokh Engineer is choosing where to start. Do you go with one of his stories about George Best, Denis Compton, Sir Donald Bradman, Muhammad Ali or Sir Alex Ferguson, to name just a few of the sporting legends we chat about? Or how about this one. 'You know Pele once slept in that room?' he says pointing at an upstairs window of his detached house in Cheshire. 'I met him at a dinner in Stoke organised by Gordon Banks. He was playing Mere Golf Club the next day, which is right next to my house, so I said: 'Come over and stay.' 'My wife took him up a cup of tea in the morning, he was very nice. Then we played golf with Bobby.' With Bobby? 'Yes, Bobby Charlton.' It was a throwaway anecdote at the end of nearly two hours packed full of stories tumbling out of the 87-year-old Engineer, fuelled by regular cups of coffee brought to us in the garden by his wife Julie, and with their toddler grandson running around, playing at our feet in the warm sunshine with the family dog. Engineer made the north-west of England his home almost 60 years ago when he joined Lancashire as one of county cricket's pioneering overseas players and the dash and twinkle in the eye have not dimmed with age. True, two new knees and an upcoming heart-valve operation would make hooking Wes Hall off his nostrils a little more difficult these days than in 1967 when he almost made a hundred before lunch for India against West Indies. 'No helmet and just a pink plastic box that wasn't going to do anything,' he says about that innings. 'I loved fast bowling. The quicker they came, the quicker they went, that was my theory.' Indian players were paid 50 rupees a day back then for facing Hall and Charlie Griffith. The mind boggles at what Engineer, the first Indian poster boy of cricket who oozed flair and panache, would earn now in the IPL as an opening bat and keeper. 'Sachin Tendulkar once told me: 'If you were playing today, you would be by far the highest earner.'' 'George Best was Rogue No 1, I was Rogue No 2' Engineer played 46 Tests between 1961 and 1975 and appeared twice in the Rest of the World XI series against England in 1970 that later had Test status withdrawn. He was at Lancashire between 1968 and 1976, signing alongside his great friend Clive Lloyd. In a golden era of domestic one-day cricket, Engineer won the Gillette Cup four times and the Sunday League twice. 'I recommended a player called Clive Hubert Lloyd, actually I was talking to him only yesterday, and Cyril Washbrook was the chairman of cricket at Lancashire and he said: 'But Farokh, he wears glasses.' I just said: 'Mr Washbrook, I know he wears glasses but you sign him and you won't regret it.' And he was my room-mate for over 10 years and we had a great partnership. We travelled everywhere together and, oh, gosh, I don't know how we're still alive; we were both party animals. 'My friendship with George Best grew at that time too because he had just come over from Ireland.' George Best, was he a star by then? 'No, nor was I really. Time and again I used to leave him at midnight and say, 'George, come on, time to go' and he would say 'Rooky', that was my nickname because Farokh was too difficult for an Irishman to say. He would say: 'No, you go home.' He would go to bed at 2-3am and the next day score goals; genius. 'My best story with him was that I had this car sponsored by Quicks, a Ford garage near Old Trafford. I had a red Ford Escort – Lancashire colours. After training, I said: 'Come on, George, I will give you a lift in my new car.' We were passing through Stretford and stopped at the traffic lights. George started chatting up this blonde next to the traffic lights. He was Rogue No 1, I was Rogue No 2. We were having a giggle and then I started the car and went straight up the arse of the car in front. I had taken my eyes off the road. I said to the driver: 'Sorry my fault, but after all you don't see many blondes in Bombay.'' A hearty laugh follows that one. Despite the stories of a life that belongs to a different era, you just know Engineer would love playing now. Not once does he imply it was better in his day and he is hugely complimentary towards the current India team, now in England and preparing for the first Test at Headingley on June 20. But despite his allegiance to India, Lancashire is in his blood, and he speaks with as much pride about the Red Rose as playing for his country of birth. 'The club have been great to me. They have named a suite at the ground after me, what an honour. The people of Lancashire have been so kind, too. I was caught speeding twice by this young cop, and both times he let me go. 'My dad would kill me if I gave you a ticket,' he said. 'I'm feeling great for 87 but so many of my colleagues have been dropping like ninepins. Peter Lever just died and so I'm very grateful to God for life. I've always lived my life. I've always enjoyed my life. I've never just existed, and even at this age I'm active.' 'Coming to England, I met all my heroes' Engineer ran a textile business in Manchester after retirement and was an ICC match referee for a while and briefly worked for Test Match Special, where he thinks he encountered racism for the only time in his long life in England. 'I thought I was doing well. Fred Trueman, Brian Johnston and Christopher Martin-Jenkins were really for me but there was one person who always put me down. And I just wondered, was it racism? I never experienced any racism on the field. 'I don't know the ins and outs of what happened at Yorkshire but Bumble [David Lloyd] was accused of being a racist in all that. I'm telling you, there's not a racist bone in Bumble's body. I know, because he was my team-mate for many years.' Engineer is an ambassador for Veterans Cricket India, run by his businessman friend Anand Nair, that holds tournaments all over the world for age groups from over-40s upwards. The Brylcreem boy of India in the 1960s can still pull in a commercial deal. 'They used to like it because I batted in a cap and so my hair was out. Palmolive and other companies offered much better money, but my contract was with Brylcreem and it was prestigious because of its history with Compton and Keith Miller.' There is a symmetry to the Compton association. A seven-year-old Engineer was in the stands at the Brabourne Stadium in Mumbai when Compton played in a Ranji Trophy match in 1945. 'He had just taken a fresh pack of chewing gum out and he saw me among the huge crowd, and he said: 'Would you like a chewing gum?' I was too nervous to say yes or no, and he just tossed it to me, and I caught it. 'Oh', he said, 'good catch.' And when I got to know Compo later, I said: 'I used to worship you.' That was one of the advantages of coming to England and playing county cricket. I met all my heroes. I was a voracious reader of cricket books and I used to read all their life stories – Compton, Godfrey Evans, Len Hutton.' 'I was a bloody lunatic' Engineer was a keeper who would go for every catch, and dive around despite his size, which was bigger than the average keeper at the time. He kept to the great Indian spin quartet of Bishan Bedi, Erapalli Prasanna, Bhagwath Chandrasekhar and Srinivas Venkataraghavan, and to Brian Statham at Lancashire. 'I was a bloody lunatic. I used to go for second-slip catches. I just thought, whatever a wicket-keeper can reach with his gloves on is the wicket-keeper's catch. When Jack Bond was captain at Lancs, the first slip was called Butlin's, you know, you go to Butlin's for a holiday because you never got a ball. 'I covered a huge area, and I enjoyed it. That was my domain. I wanted to keep wicket to Brian Statham, such a nice man. He said publicly if I was behind the stumps throughout his career he would have finished with twice as many victims. I said: 'George [Statham's nickname], you must have been drunk when you said that.' Because he had Godfrey Evans, who was my hero. 'In those days English bowlers used to pick the seam, it was almost allowed, with the result that Statham's inswinger when it pitched middle and off, coming in, I used to charge down the leg side because I would get so many leg-slip catches which were four runs before that. I got a couple of stumpings off him down the leg side. When the ball was not carrying I would stand up to the stumps. 'We were in the Cayman Islands once with Fred Trueman. It was past his time.' Engineer now breaks into his very good Trueman impression. ''I'm the quickest bowler in t'world.' And anyway I got a couple of stumpings off him. 'Stop it', Fred said. 'People will think I'm a slow bowler'. 'These people, just legends of the game. I'm so lucky… Chandrasekhar, Prasanna, Bedi, Venkat. The other three were pretty easy to keep to but Chandrasekhar was very interesting to keep to because he bowled about 62mph. Normally he spun the ball viciously both ways, without knowing himself which way the ball was going three quarters of the time because he was a polio victim, his wrist bent a bit further. 'Time and again he bowled a batsman with a googly and I said: 'Chandra, you tried to bowl a leg-spinner there, didn't you?' And he'd say: 'Yeah, yeah.' He was a very humble man. And I think he was the greatest spinner in the world. I could read him because I saw him grip the ball and saw the way it left his fingers. I saw it in the air and off the pitch. For me, it was like a split-second computerised effect because I could read him.' Engineer feels that '99 per cent' of modern keepers have technical problems. 'In T20 you can get away with a batsman who can keep but not in Test cricket. You've got to have a proper keeper, not a backstop. I've watched modern keepers and they get up too soon. They snatch the ball, which is OK standing back. Some people only half-squat. I found you had to be right down, so it was much easier to stay low to go for diving catches or catches that don't carry. It is much easier to come up than to come up and go down again – you lose a fraction of a second. So when they are playing [in the] sub-continent and the ball is lower and slower, they struggle.' Keeping was in Engineer's blood. He describes his childhood growing up in Bombay with his older brother Darius, who was a good club cricketer, and how keeping to him for the first time opened up his path in life. In the evenings after school he would throw a soft ball against a corrugated wall so it could bounce in any direction, and try to catch it. 'I went to Don Bosco School and my best friend was Shashi Kapoor, who would go on to be one of the great Bollywood actors. We were sitting on a bench in class yapping away one day when suddenly I saw this huge wooden duster hurled 100 miles per hour at us by the teacher. I'm telling you, he should have been a cover point for India. I think he would have hit the stumps every time. 'Anyway, I saw this duster hurtling straight toward his [Kapoor's] face, and suddenly my sixth sense kicked in, I just stretched my hand out and caught the duster literally an inch from his face. I used to tease him that instead of getting the hero roles in films he would have ended up in horror movies if I hadn't caught that duster.' 'I stood up Miss Adelaide for Don Bradman' Engineer is still celebrated when he goes back to India every year, often when a birthday party is held in his honour. He was presented with a lifetime achievement award by the BCCI during the first England Test in Hyderabad last year but his links to Mumbai have faded. He sold his house on trendy Cuffe Parade years ago. 'I sold it for tuppence, and today it is probably worth about £40 million. The Ambanis live next door. I never imagined property would just go sky high all of a sudden. So, yeah, whenever I see that property, I feel a bit sick.' While we are chatting, Engineer's wife is searching for a Baggy Green cap given to him as a gift by Bradman, which excites the photographer but is somewhere in storage. Instead he poses with a silver bat awarded for being top run scorer in a series against England. There is a quote from Bradman on the back of Engineer's autobiography that describes him as one of the 'game's great ambassadors on and off the field'. The respect was formed during a tour to Australia. 'We were playing in Adelaide and I slipped over wearing rubber-soled shoes. Sir Don Bradman came into our dressing room and gave me a big telling off but invited me to his house for dinner. I had a date with Miss Adelaide that night, so I gave her number to one of my team-mates and told him to have a good time. 'I went to the Bradmans' house and just wanted a beer and a steak but they gave me carrot juice and a vegetarian meal, thinking that's what Indians ate and drank. Anyway, Sir Don gets out a projector and we start watching films of his innings. It is a bit odd, but he's Don Bradman. What do you say? He told me about this shot and that shot he played and said I was too flamboyant. As I left I gave him a gift and he went away and came back with a cap, his baggy green.' Engineer will be at Old Trafford for the India Test match in July. The struggles of his club this summer – coach and captain sacked and the team languishing in division two – have upset him. 'My heart bleeds. I can't bear to even open the papers. There is something radically wrong that needs to be rectified because Lancs are a great club. Bottom of the second division, I just can't believe it.' He thinks the retirement of Virat Kohli will help England but describes this India team as among the best to tour this country. 'They could probably pick two teams that would give England a run for their money.' A couple of weeks after our interview, I call to check on how the heart operation went. 'Yes, all good,' he laughs. 'I'm still alive and kicking.' The storyteller still has more tales to tell.
