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Herald Sun
a day ago
- Business
- Herald Sun
'The way I gasped!' Aussies gobsmacked over Gen Z's way of doing their tax returns
A Gen Zer has left older Aussies gobsmacked after revealing how she submitted her tax return this year. In a revelation that would blow the mind of any Baby Boomer, Melbourne woman Paije recently divulged that she does her taxes each year using nothing but her smart phone. 'I just saw a video on my for you page where they were talking about that thing where some purchases you can do on your phone but big purchases have to be on your laptop,' the 28-year-old explained. 'I would like everyone to know that I did my taxes on my phone. I do everything on there.' Want to join the family? Sign up to our Kidspot newsletter for more stories like this. The 28-year-old worker received a lower tax return than previous years. Picture: @princesspeeny/TikTok For more stories like this, visit: Everything is on the phone The laptop Vs phone debate has gained traction in recent years. For Gen Zers who grew up as digital natives, they wouldn't think twice about making big purchases or completing in-depth tasks on their phone. For Millennials and other generations, things they consider 'major' tasks, such as purchasing a plane ticket, are reserved for the laptop, with the idea of being left with nothing but their mobile enough to send them into a panic. So, when Paije made her tax return confession, there were plenty of older Aussies who couldn't comprehend how she could complete such a significant task without whipping out her laptop. 'The way I gasped. Not on your phone,' one person said, with another joking, 'this feels illegal'. 'I didn't think anything at tax time could be worse than people saying getting a return just means you paid too much during the year, then I saw this,' another said. One person branded it 'criminal', adding that flights, tax and online furniture shopping are all laptop tasks. Another added: 'No way, that's definitely a desktop job.' However, there were plenty of people who saw no issue with it, with others claiming it is easier to do your taxes on your phone, particularly if you use the ATO app. 'I haven't opened my laptop since high school in 2019, I use my phone for everything,' one person said. Speaking to Paije said she wanted to tap into the running joke that older generations think some activities should only be done on laptops. 'I suppose I fall into that more Type B personality type and my attitude is that a phone is just a mini computer now,' the 28-year-old said. She also noted that the ATO's myDeductions app has become increasingly user friendly, making it really easy to do your tax return with nothing but your phone. In another video, Paije revealed she was getting a $921 refund after submitting her tax return, a figure she says is the 'worst' she has ever received. While the young worker understands that getting a smaller or no return means you have paid the correct amount of tax throughout the year, she noted that 'it still hurts'. In previous years, after submitting the same kind of deductions she did this year, her return would be in the $1500 to $2000 range. She also touched on her increasing HECS-HELP debt, which is currently sitting at almost $92,000. On June 1, indexation of 3.2 per cent was applied to all student loan debts. RELATED: Easy way to minimise the amount of tax you pay Paije said doing your taxes on your phone is a lot easier than people think. Picture: ATO Hecs and tax - what students need to know While there have been welcome changes to the way indexation occurs, with the lower of either the Consumer Price Index (CPI) or the Wage Price Index applied, there is still a lot of contention around the process. While payments towards your HECS debt are taken out of your pay in real time, that money is not coming off your debt at the same rate. Instead, the ATO holds these funds as a credit until you file your tax return on or after July 1. But, because indexation occurs before this on June 1, your past contributions are actually applying to the higher indexed rate, despite coming out of your pay much earlier. Because of this, many people with student loans feel like they will never see their debts reduce. 'The indexation from the last few years means that you're not really paying anything off because it just gets added again,' Paije said. She has two bachelors degrees and is currently doing her Masters and says the idea of paying off the debt doesn't even cross her mind anymore. 'I don't see it ever happening and so the best thing to do it just ignore it. Since the payments come out of my pay each fortnight I never see the money anyway, so I am kind of just choosing peace and pretending it doesn't exists,' she said. 'It would be too much mental effort that I don't have to care about it.' Originally published as 'The way I gasped!' Aussies gobsmacked over Gen Z's way of doing their tax returns
Newsweek
4 days ago
- Entertainment
- Newsweek
Gen Zer Thrifts 2000s Skirt, Can't Believe What She Finds in the Pocket
Based on facts, either observed and verified firsthand by the reporter, or reported and verified from knowledgeable sources. Newsweek AI is in beta. Translations may contain inaccuracies—please refer to the original content. A Gen Zer has left people feeling nostalgic after a 2000s thrift store discovery, which came with an unexpected bonus. Nicole Randone, a content creator in her mid-20s from New York, was thrilled when she picked up a vintage Hollister skirt in a local thrift store. But it wasn't just the low-rise silhouette and bright stitching that captured her heart—it was what she found tucked inside the pocket. In the pocket there was a movie ticket stub dated July 18, 2004, for a 7:40 PM showing of A Cinderella Story at Jersey Gardens theater, the year the film was released. Finding it felt serendipitous. Like an omen that I'm exactly where I'm meant to be right now. Starring Hilary Duff and Chad Michael Murray, the film loosely echoes the plot of its namesake fairytale. Set in an L.A. high school, Jennifer Coolidge plays the "wicked stepmother" to Sam Montgomery, played by Duff, who she lives with along with her two "evil stepsisters," with Murray unsurprisingly cast as "Prince Charming," aka Austin Ames. Although this modern-day Cinderella leaves behind her cell phone, rather than a glass slipper. The discovery has since taken TikTok by storm, with Randone's video showcasing the skirt and stub amassing over 2.1 million views since it was shared earlier this week. "I found the skirt at a local thrift store I visit pretty often," Randone told Newsweek. "I was instantly drawn to it because it had that early 2000s Hollister vibe I love. "Low rise, fun colors, and super nostalgic. It looked like something right out of Laguna Beach, and that's totally my style." But it was the 2004 movie ticket stub truly thrilled her. "I couldn't believe it! I was already extremely excited about the skirt, but when I found the A Cinderella Story ticket stub in the pocket, I had a visceral reaction. A Cinderella Story is my favorite movie of all time, and finding it felt serendipitous. Like an omen that I'm exactly where I'm meant to be right now," she said. Randone, who shares early-2000s-themed content on TikTok and Instagram, is going to put the movie stub in her collection. "Absolutely keeping it. I cannot emphasize enough how safe it is in my hands. I'm planning to frame it, but until I do, it will be safely tucked inside my A Cinderella Story DVD," she said. The reaction online didn't disappoint, with fans of the 2000s aesthetic heading to the comments to share reactions. Pictures of the Hollister skirt and movie ticket stub from the pocket. Pictures of the Hollister skirt and movie ticket stub from the pocket. @misss2005/TikTok "I'm screaming crying throwing up cuz I wanna know what it feels like to be a teen/young adult in '04 going to see that in theatres," said one commenter. While another commenter shared a mix of delight and unease. "Amazing yes... but am I the only one thinking this skirt hasn't been washed since 2004?" "It makes me happy to see how many people are just as shocked and excited as I am," said Randone. "It sparked conversations about fashion, memories, Chad Michael Murray, and growing up in the 2000s. I think it resonated because so many of us are drawn to those nostalgic moments. It reminds us of a special time and the media that shaped us." The viral video has tapped into something deeper—a cultural longing for the simplicity and esthetics of the early 2000s. With Y2K fashion firmly back in style and TikTok fueling a revival of all things sparkly, low-rise, and Hilary Duff-approved, reboots of classic 2000s shows like Gossip Girl, That's So Raven and Malcolm in the Middle have sparked joy. In tech, people are turning back to flip phones, Tamagotchi's and disposable film cameras. For millennials, it's about comfort and familiarity, while Gen Z are rebelling against hyper-polished high-tech norms, yearning for a time when everything felt more tangible and less curated. "That is literally a historical artifact omg," said one TikTok viewer. While another said: "I'm so nostalgic for the early 2000's. I was just a girl, listening to the radio, climbing trees, having my first crush. Summertime was so sweet."
NBC News
5 days ago
- Entertainment
- NBC News
Gen Z is staring at you. It may be more than just a quirk.
When professor Jessica Maddox asks her University of Alabama students a question in class, she is sometimes met with blank, deadpan looks from the Gen Zers in the room. The look has become so prevalent that Maddox occasionally resorts to begging her students for a response. It was only recently that she learned this behavior had a name: the 'Gen Z stare." 'When I first started hearing talk about the 'Gen Z stare,' and people were kind of explaining what it is, I was like, 'Oh, my God, this is what happens to me as a college professor,'' said Maddox, an associate professor of digital media. While there are several definitions for the stare, the most common meaning is a vacant expression a Gen Zer gives in response to a question. The stare occurs in classrooms, restaurants, at work and more settings. It often appears judgmental and on TikTok, many Gen Zers — typically defined as those ages 13-28 — have claimed it's because those who doing the staring are dumbfounded or disinterested in engaging with, what they call, 'stupid questions.' 'I don't think it's a lack of social skills. I just think we don't care,' said Dametrius 'Jet' Latham, a TikTok creator and Gen Zer who recently picked up more than 1.4 million views on a video about the topic. The hashtag #GenZStare, which has been used in about 8,000 videos on TikTok, began picking up steam earlier this month and hit its peak Monday. A search for the term on TikTok revealed videos showing millennials calling out Gen Z, and more videos of Gen Z firing back at the term they appear to find insulting. Maddox has a theory as to why the "Gen Z stare" has become so pervasive now. 'This [look] very much accelerated after we returned to campus after Covid protocols,' Maddox said, adding that she noticed an "increasing amount of silence" after posing questions to her class in the wake of the global pandemic. Due to social isolation during the pandemic, many students faced increased mental health challenges, such as anxiety and depression. Face-to-face interactions became less common amid social distancing protocols and many schools temporarily switched to remote learning. Because Gen Zers were socialized during a pandemic, they came of age building relationships on social media, Maddox said. This may have led to the development of unique types of communication skills among those who are 27 years old or younger. Additionally, because most members of the generation don't remember a time without social media, they fear anything they say or do could end up being mocked online — or worse, get them canceled. Some experts say young people deadpanning their elders can be observed as far back as the 1950s and 1960s, with the rise of youth culture around rock and roll, Elvis and The Beatles. The blank stare and other forms of defiance can also be seen in 1980s films, such as Howard Hughes' 'Pretty in Pink' and 'Sixteen Candles.' The latest iteration of this defiance is likely not just a hallmark of dissent, but also a response to social anxiety developed during formative years in isolation. 'I think we are starting to really see the long-term effects of constant digital media use, right?' said Jess Rauchberg, an assistant professor of communication technologies at Seton Hall University. 'We think of the phone as an appendage to our bodies.' Gen Zers also fear being "cringe," a term they often use to describe other generations that came before them. Intergeneration feuds have long been a core part of platforms like TikTok, and they're often spurred on by Gen Z. One of the most famous instances of intergenerational spats was the rise of ' OK Boomer,' a phrase used by Gen Z and millennials alike to belittle the older generations who they see as out of touch. It doesn't stop there. Gen Zers have criticized Gen Alpha, their younger counterparts, for their ' blue light stare,' a disengaged nonchalant look those born between 2010 and 2024 use. They also have mocked boomers for what they call the ' lead paint stare," a look that is described as being confused or befuddled by a response to a question. At one point, there was no greater sin to a zoomer than 'millennial cringe.' While some Gen Zers have embraced the label, others still fear it being applied to them. On TikTok, compilations of 'millennial cringe' have received millions of views and thousands of comments from young people mocking what they perceive as millennial behaviors, such as calling dogs 'doggo,' or making things like Disney or 'Harry Potter' their whole personality. Psychotherapist Robi Ludwig suggested that the "Gen Z stare" reflects the gap in social skills between members of Gen Z and millennials. 'If it's a processing thing, it's hard to imagine someone wouldn't know how to nod or respond with a smile or just say 'OK,' but we may take for granted some of the social skills we have developed over the years because we didn't have technology to deal with and we didn't have to be isolated from our peers," she said. As people of other generations mock the 'Gen Z stare,' many zoomers have grown defensive, posting videos calling out people for their criticism of the trend. Some younger users online have also clarified what exactly the "Gen Z stare" is and isn't. TikTok Santana, who is a member of Gen Z and works as a bartender, said in a video that "the customer service stare is the stare a worker gives somebody for asking someone something f---- stupid." Whereas, "the 'gen z stare' is the lead paint staring that customer service workers receive instead of response to anything." Maddox, of the University of Alabama, said that this type of reaction online be exactly what some are hoping for, adding it could be posted as a form of 'rage-bait' from creators to farm engagement. 'Internet culture loves a generational feud,' she said.
New York Times
6 days ago
- Entertainment
- New York Times
Can You Really Disappear Online?
CAIRA: But what is the most embarrassing thing that you have found about yourself on this project? MAX: Oh, easily 200 LiveJournal posts. That was, yeah, without question — CHRISTINE: And those are, like, diary entries, essentially? MAX: We're not talking about the content today. CHRISTINE: I'm Christine Cyr Clisset. CAIRA: I'm Caira Blackwell. ROSIE: I'm Rosie Guerin, and you're listening to The Wirecutter Show . CAIRA: This episode is called: 'Can You Really Disappear Online?' CHRISTINE: Caira. CAIRA: Hi. CHRISTINE: It's just us today. CAIRA: I know. It feels so weird. CHRISTINE: Rosie is out again, so I thought this would be a great opportunity — there's a vast difference in age between you and me. CAIRA: Okay. CHRISTINE: And I'm going to ask you a very 'Gen Xer asks a Gen Zer a question,' okay? How much of your life is online? CAIRA: Oof. CHRISTINE: What's your footprint online? CAIRA: I am embarrassed to say that I've tried really hard to make sure a lot of me is online. I Google myself constantly to make sure that my efforts are not in vain. CHRISTINE: What is it? How many search-page results are actually about you? CAIRA: All of them. CHRISTINE: Okay, great. CAIRA: It helps that I have a really nice, unique name. But yeah, it's all me. CHRISTINE: I think that only two pages of Google are about me. I have a pretty small footprint. I've been a journalist for over 20 years, so there's a certain amount of my work that's online, but for the last maybe 10, 15 years, I've been pretty guarded online, and so I suspect — well, you know what, actually? I was really surprised recently. I Googled myself, and I was surprised by how much information was online. CAIRA: They get a lot of you. CHRISTINE: Yeah. It's creepy. There was information about my parents and about my sibling, and about old addresses, and that is creepy. CAIRA: Yeah. That part doesn't feel good. That's definitely not what I'm trying to do when I want to be online. I like the things that I want up there, but then, of course, there's always this part of the internet that gets more of you than you're willing to give. CHRISTINE: That's right. So it's not only creepy, there are real data-privacy and security issues related to all this information that any of us have online, especially if we've had a lot of social accounts, or we've just been living our life online. And that's why I was super interested when I learned that one of our colleagues, Max Eddy, who writes about data privacy and security for Wirecutter, he took on this really wild task for an article he just published about trying to erase himself from the internet. CAIRA: Wow. Big task. CHRISTINE: Yeah, this is a big task, especially for someone who is a journalist, but I think for probably any human being in 2025. CAIRA: Yeah, Max's amazing piece is actually part of a larger package for Wirecutter that just published. It covers all kinds of data-security issues, from tons of different journalists at Wirecutter, and some of the topics are about what to do if your data has been leaked or stolen, or what to do with a late loved one's online accounts, and how your smart devices might actually be watching you. So yeah. CHRISTINE: So creepy. CAIRA: A lot of good information. CHRISTINE: It's a lot of good information that I think is sometimes hard to find, and I'm so excited that Max is going to come on the show today. So after the break, we will talk with Max about the modern-day quest to erase himself from the internet, why he tried it, and why you might want to too. We'll be right back. CAIRA: Welcome back. Today we're talking with Max Eddy, who is Wirecutter's writer covering privacy, security, and software. He's written a lot about how to get the most out of your computers and your phones, and he's our in-house expert on how to protect yourself from online scams and surveillance. CHRISTINE: Welcome to the show, Max. MAX: Great to be back. CHRISTINE: It's great to have you here. Today we're going to talk about this gonzo project that you took on to disappear from the internet. What does that even mean? You are a journalist, you have a big footprint on the internet. How extreme did you get with this project? MAX: So as you just said, I publish online, and have done that for most of my working life, so unless this was a backdoor effort to fire me and not tell me, no, I didn't delete any of my stories, I didn't delete my bylines, and I did actually end up leaving a lot of stuff up there. Disappearing from the internet, the experts will tell you that that is a fantasy, you can't actually do that. So knowing that, I decided that, okay, if I can't disappear, then maybe I can get control and try to take control of as much of it as I could. CAIRA: Why would you even think to do this? What are the security implications for having your personal information, and your photos, and all your old embarrassing social media accounts, and other info about yourself on the internet? MAX: So why I did this is because it was an opportunity to apply a lot of different strategies and try them out. But why normal people who are not me would want to do this is that there's a lot of information out there about ourselves that we have shared knowingly on things like social media and other platforms, and that is out of your control once you've put it out there. So being able to take control of that information, I think a lot of people want to be able to do that. They want to be able to present themselves the way they want to be presented online. So you probably shouldn't set out to delete yourself from the internet, because it's just not going to happen. But if you try, you can definitely reduce the amount of stuff that's out there and control the stuff that is. CAIRA: Okay, that makes sense. I actually deleted my entire Facebook account because I saw that all the photos that I had on there, they were just making my skin crawl, so I just went ahead and got rid of that. But what is the most embarrassing thing that you have found about yourself on this project? MAX: Oh, easily 200 LiveJournal posts. That was, yeah, without question — CHRISTINE: And those are diary entries, essentially? MAX: We're not talking about the content today. MAX: Seriously, though, I completely forgot. I knew I'd signed up for that. I did not remember writing 200 posts. CAIRA: That's a lot. MAX: That one in particular was like being confronted with an old version of yourself and having to look at that distance between the two of you. So that is one of the disorienting things that does happen when you try to clean up nearly two decades of internet use … you're going to find a lot about yourself that you've forgotten about, and you will definitely notice that you're not the same person anymore. CHRISTINE: This is making me so nervous about what is on the internet about me that I haven't found. So we're going to get into all of the steps here that you took, Max, and from your piece, what I've gleaned is that you basically tackled this in three different places that you really focused your effort. Google was the first; you really attempted to remove yourself from Google search results. Number two was social media; you audited your online accounts, like Instagram, Facebook, and other accounts. And then you tackled the third place, public records, which … we will get into that a little bit later. So let's talk about that first bucket, the Google bucket. Why start with Google? How did you figure out what was online about yourself, and physically what did you do? Did you just do a vanity Google, essentially? MAX: I think a lot of people do go to Google first to see what's out there about them. I think that's a very understandable impulse. So I did start with Google because of that, because it's where most people are going to go first, and for reasons we'll get into, that is where you're going to encounter a lot of people who have your information for sale. So what I did was, I went onto Google, and I put in my name, and I looked around at what was there. I put in some variations of my name, I put in my name plus address, I put my name plus phone number. I would recommend, if you are curious about what's out there, start with those. Also toss in just your phone number, just your address, any email addresses or screen names that you've used. CHRISTINE: So you're basically being a detective of your own self. You're a PI looking up all the information you can find. MAX: I think that's a really good example, because that's the kind of person that's going to be doing this if they're trying to find out about you. But when you're searching for yourself on Google, you will be overwhelmed by the stuff that's on there. So while I think it's good to get the lay of the land, you're going to drive yourself nuts if you try to make a comprehensive list of every single place that you've been on there. One way that I found was to use my password manager. I've been using a password manager for a very long time. I found out I had 356 accounts in it. And using another service called Have I Been Pwned, which lists data breaches, you can enter your email address and see what accounts you have whose information has been released online. So using that, I was able to pare down that 356 to 27, and then going through manually, just looking at all the accounts that I had in my password manager, I found another 30 or so that I was like, 'There's going to be a lot of information in these sites.' So once I had that list, I could start with that. CHRISTINE: If you are not someone that is using a password manager currently, and you're listening to this and saying, 'Oh, maybe I should be using one,' if you were to sign up for an account for a password manager today, would that help you find all of those old accounts, or would it basically just be collecting all the accounts you're currently using? MAX: So when you sign up for a password manager, if you've never used one before, it can gather them as you log in to them. And if you're not using a password manager … I'm not going to shame people, but maybe do that. It's really one of the best things you can do to protect yourself online, to have unique complex passwords for every single site and service that you have an account with. CHRISTINE: Okay, so just to reiterate, though, it's not going to help you find those accounts you had five years ago or six years ago or 20 years ago. It will help you going forward. MAX: If you don't have that, then you are going to have to do some Googling. You're going to want to look at Have I Been Pwned. I found Have I Been Pwned to be really useful, not just for finding the accounts that had been breached but also accounts that I had completely forgotten about, like I have not scrambled a song in 20 years, and I didn't have it in my password manager, but it was in a data breach, my information was in that, and I was able to find that through Have I Been Pwned. CAIRA: Is … Have I Been Pwned, do you have to pay for that? MAX: It is free. CHRISTINE: Is that specifically a site that helps find data breaches? MAX: It helps you find your information in data breaches. So when you go to Have I Been Pwned, you enter your email address, and it's going to search through all of its millions of records of data breaches. And if your email address appears in that data breach, then it will pop up a little message below listing all of the data breaches where it has found that email address. I'm emphasizing this because that's not going to be a complete list. If it was a data breach that didn't have your email address, or if it was an account that didn't have your email address, then it's not going to show up there. So the tool is limited, but in terms of ways to check to see if your information has been exposed, this is by far the most comprehensive and easiest to use. When you see that your data has been exposed in a data breach, changing your password can be a good idea if your password was exposed, or if you're just concerned about it. It's usually, like, a good policy in general. But if your password wasn't exposed, then that's not really the issue. The issue is that there was personal information about you exposed. So for example, if you see that you were in a data breach, that means whoever has that breached information can now infer some things about you, that you have an account on this website. What they can do with that is try to log in as you; they can try to find your password from another data breach, if it wasn't in that one, and just try it and see if it works, because a lot of people recycle their passwords. So what you do next is going to depend on what information was exposed. We actually have a story about this as part of this larger package about what to do after a data breach, where we do walk you through what you should do when this happens. There's an argument to be made that all of your information is already out there, but you need to address every data breach separately. CHRISTINE: Okay, I'm writing that down on my arm, and I'm going to do that right — MAX: Should probably spell that, it's Have I Been Pwned, P-W-N-E-D, which is great to write out but terrible to say out loud. CAIRA: Such a millennial title. Okay, so removing yourself from Google search, how do you do that, and how successful can you be doing that? MAX: So Google actually offers a tool to help limit your appearance in Google search results called Results About You that shows you results that have your personal information in it. This tool is limited, and it's really important that people understand that there are certain criteria that have to be met before Google will suppress that search result. So that's the first thing. And the second thing is that that information is not going to be removed, it is only going to be suppressed. So the information is still out there — it just might not be appearing in search results, but that information is still out there, which is the second thing that I did. So the second thing I did was to address the sites that had my information. Most of those are data brokers, and they compile information about individuals, and then they sell that information to whoever wants it. So I went on to take care of that. CHRISTINE: Can you explain what a data broker is? They basically are vacuuming up all of your information and selling it? MAX: So yeah, data brokers gather personal information and then sell it. They're usually taking it from multiple sources, and in some cases they're connecting the dots that aren't connected. So for example, maybe they're able to get a name and a phone number over here and a name and an address over there. And now they've got a name, a phone number, and an address. And when you collate all that information together, you can assemble some pretty specific dossiers on individuals and names, addresses, phone numbers. Sometimes relations — like cousins, parents, that sort of thing — will be in these records that they have for sale. CAIRA: What are some companies that people might be able to recognize? Do you have any examples? MAX: A lot of these companies might object to being called data brokers. A lot of them refer to themselves as 'people search sites' or 'record search sites.' So there are companies out there who work to remove this information from data brokers, data-removal services, and some of the companies that they classify as data brokers would be Spokeo, That's Them, Alabama Court And again, these companies might object to that distinction, and I'm not going to make a judgment about that, but these are the sites that the data-removal services are operating with. CHRISTINE: So what do you do if you find that your information is on these data broker sites? What steps can you take to get the information off of those sites? MAX: So most of these data brokers are going to have some kind of mechanism to remove your information. You can request that they take those records down, and that process can be very tedious, and it also requires you to engage with them maybe more than you would be comfortable with. I did try to do this, and I got skeezed out really, really fast; I don't want to give them more of my information, they're already selling it. So you can do this on your own. What I did for this story was to sign up with data-removal services that do that for you. So they search these data broker sites for your information, and then they send the opt-out requests, and then they handle all of the follow-ups and everything that goes with that, so you never have to touch any of it. CAIRA: Oh, I actually used one of those, and I was so shocked at the things that it called from the internet. Like, my mom's address and phone number was attached to my information. MAX: That's actually one of the things I found fascinating about this experience, by the way. Like, the information sold by data brokers is freakishly accurate and long, and then it's not. I saw individuals that clearly were supposed to be me, my name, my age, and a couple other pieces of information, like … well, unless there's another Max Eddy out there with the same age as me, that's unlikely. But in different addresses or addresses near to where I used to live, but not there. And I think this is really interesting, because these companies are really selling themselves on the idea that you can find people, but I'm not sure how true that is. There is, yeah, a lot of accurate information there, and there's a lot of not-accurate information in there. CAIRA: Well, I'm happy for that, actually. CHRISTINE: How much does it cost to hire one of these or use one of these services, these data-removal services? Is it expensive? Because that service sounds like it's well worth some money to me versus going through and trying to do this DIY. MAX: So in our guide for data-removal services, one of the things I discovered is that the cost of a data-removal service is wide-ranging. On the low end, I found one for $20 a year, on the high end it was well over $300 a year. And the difference between them is very broad and complex. But yeah, I think you're going to end up spending probably about 100 bucks. CAIRA: And how successful have you found these services to be? MAX: I had to sign up for about a dozen of these in order to write our guide about them. And the problem with that is, I had a bunch of these data-removal services all removing my information at the same time, and that meant we weren't able to correlate who was doing what work. So we actually started a year-long experiment at Wirecutter, where we have a bunch of different writers sign up with different services, and we are tracking what results they see over time. So what the data-removal services say, and what certain specific data brokers say they have on these individuals. And that's what we're trying to figure out, is how effective they are compared to each other. I can say that, having signed up for a lot of them, there's a lot less information about me out there right now. So they do work. I interviewed some people at data-removal services, and they told me that sometimes data brokers will relist your information even after it's been taken down. CHRISTINE: Oof. It's like a Whac-A-Mole situation. MAX: Absolutely. And there are hundreds of these sites that are selling this information, and they sell to each other, so it's very complicated, and that's the downside of it. You sign up for this, and it does a great job, but you need to leave it there perpetually. CHRISTINE: This is really a service where it's probably best to subscribe and have it just working all year long to clean up your profile online? MAX: Yeah, so far that's what we think. One of the things we're going to be looking at is, do they actually do a lot more over time in this longer experiment that we're doing? CHRISTINE: So Max, just even this first step of approaching what information is about you on Google and how to suppress those results, or how to remove information from these data brokers … it sounds a little bit intense, and I think it might be intimidating for people. I want to hear just your very simplified version of what we just talked about. MAX: Sure. So I think everyone should take a look at Google's Results About You tool. Google is the most popular search engine, and seeing what's out there and using its own tool to suppress some of those results is a great first step. It costs nothing, it takes a few minutes to set up. You can then go and send data-removal requests to data brokers. You can do it yourself. I really want to stress, you can do this yourself for free. There's a lot of data-removal services that actually have free subscription options; they will tell you where the stuff is, but you have to do the opting out yourself. So you don't have to pay for these, but you will invest a lot of time and effort in that. And if that's not worth it to you, or if you would rather just have someone else do it, take a look at a data-removal service to do that for you. CHRISTINE: And you can go to our website for specific recommendations on those. MAX: Absolutely. CAIRA: Awesome. Okay, so we're going to take a quick break, and then when we're back, Max is going to cover the last two steps that he took, which is scrubbing himself from social media and then tackling public records. Plus, we'll cover some of the unexpectedly emotional parts of disappearing online. Be right back. CAIRA: Welcome back. Max, before the break, you told us about the first step that you took to remove yourself from the internet, which is figuring out how much of your information is online and definitely checking Google. So now let's talk about the last two buckets, which is social media and then public records. Social media itself is a beast. How hard was it to remove yourself from everywhere, like, Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, all of that stuff? How'd you go about doing that? MAX: So the thing about social media is that it's actually not the only place where I found my information. I found that there are bio pages on Patreon and Kickstarter and other services like that. So if people are listening at home, take a look at these other sites that you're signed up for, and see what information you've shared with them and that they share publicly. It's really startling what's out there, and you can clean that up pretty simply. But with social media, that's a little more loaded. We interact a lot over social media, and it doesn't necessarily make sense to remove everything or entirely delete your account. And in my case, I actually chose not to delete my account in most cases. That said, deleting your account is easily the fastest and simplest way to do this. I chose not to do that, because I wanted to keep my accounts alive but inactive, and I was concerned primarily about impersonation. Maybe some of that's vanity — I am a Google-able person, and I didn't want someone else popping up on Twitter and pretending to be me — but this can affect anyone, really. A couple years ago, my aunt was on Facebook and discovered that someone else had created an account in her name and was going around to all the family members and asking for money. CHRISTINE: Oh my gosh. CAIRA: That happens so much on Facebook, I feel like I hear that all the time. MAX: But impersonation can happen to anyone, and if you don't have an account on that service anymore, it can be hard to prove that you are the real you. It is doable, but for me it was more valuable to maintain control of those accounts but just leave them empty. Most websites and online accounts are going to require you to enter information about yourself, and they won't let you create the account without that information. They won't let you save the information unless it's all in there. So you can't just delete your email address and then hit Save, and Twitter would be like, 'Yeah, that's fine. I don't know who you are. That's great.' So I created what the experts call synthetic data, which is basically just made-up information about myself. So imagine, if you will, a Twitter account or a social media account, there's a username, there's a photo, usually, and then all of that's tied back to, usually, an email address somewhere in the background that's probably not visible, but it is part of the account. So I tried to address all of those things. I found a bitmap generator to create random colorful images, just dots, and I replaced all of my user photos with that. I found a text generator and used that to create names and fill in information that required text. So there's a lot of 'lorem ipsum'–style names for me around there now. I wanted to get my name off, and my screen names off of them, as much as I could. And then I use an email-masking service, which lets you create unique email addresses for every site you want to sign up for. What it does is, it forwards any emails sent to that email address to your real email address, and you can respond to it the same way, and it'll appear to be coming from the masked email. And then if you want to get rid of it for any reason — if you're getting a lot of spam, if you just don't want it, you can't seem to get rid of that newsletter, it's there all the time — you can just delete the email address, and it forwards to nowhere. It's just gone. CAIRA: Oh, cool. CHRISTINE: So presumably with all these unique emails and passwords you're using, going back to the password manager, you're using the password manager to help you manage all of those, right? MAX: Absolutely. CHRISTINE: Because if I started a unique email for everything that I have, I would be in big trouble. CAIRA: Locked out. MAX: Yeah, 356 online accounts, and I worked on 55 of them for this. So yeah, I had generated 55 unique emails for this project. CHRISTINE: This seems like I should be giving a lot of people my masked email. MAX: So the downside of a lot of masked emails is that they are random text, and it's like, 'Oh, yeah, you can just hit me up at X123Q57@ CHRISTINE: It's like the old version of dating, and people being like, 'Can I get your number?' And you're like, 'Yeah.' CAIRA: It was six digits. MAX: So the idea here, though, is, when you're using these masked-email services, they're great for a lot of things, but what I really wanted to do was to break apart all the connections between my accounts. So remember earlier, when I talked about how data brokers get information from lots of different places and connect those dots together? I wanted to make that either impossible or so very, very difficult that they would not bother trying. So all of the pictures are different, you're not going to be able to put them together and say, like, 'Look, same user photos here and here, people recycle those a lot.' They won't see the same usernames. As often as I could, I tried to get rid of usernames, because most people recycle those, as well. And if you don't want to have a consistent internet presence, you want each of those to be different. And then email, while that's not usually visible to the outside, the companies who run those services can see that, and I wanted to make sure that you wouldn't be able to connect it via email, either. So every piece of it that should have been searchable, I tried to make unique. CAIRA: Do you suggest that everybody does all of this? MAX: No. CAIRA: Okay. MAX: No, but I think for the purposes of this project, it was like, 'Let's see if we can do this.' CAIRA: Yeah. MAX: 'How painful is it going to be?' And I think it's a useful framework. CAIRA: Okay. MAX: So let's say you're signing up for something that's low value to you personally. You just need to sign up for it for whatever reason. I don't know — CHRISTINE: To get a 20%-off coupon or something. MAX: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's a perfect example. So you have to create an account somewhere where you don't actually want to have an account. Don't use the same username that you use everywhere. Use a masked email, and don't put a photo of yourself on it, use just any photo you can find or generate one randomly. And I think that this can be really useful on social platforms where your actual presence isn't required. If you're playing a video game or something, people don't need to know your name or see your face and your friends, you'll find them in some other way. So I think people can use these tools and then make decisions about how much of their information they want to share. How public do they want to be with this? On something like Facebook, where you are making a judgment about who the person is, you're probably going to want to use your name. I think they have policies about that still. And you're probably going to want to use a photo that people that you care about would recognize. But for other things, you don't need to do that. CAIRA: So how long did this take? MAX: The whole project was over the course of about three weeks or so. For those social media accounts alone, that was three or four days. It gets a little hazy for me towards the end, because working on Facebook was such an absolute nightmare for me that I frankly could not keep track of what was happening in my life. I went into a fugue state and emerged several days later. It does take a lot of time, and especially what I was trying to do — to remove my posts from these accounts but leave the accounts up — is very difficult to do. Most sites … pretty much every social media site I went to does not have an option to edit what posts are available. So I had to find other ways to do this. So in the case of LiveJournal I mentioned earlier, I had to go through and manually delete every single one of them. And for Twitter, I used a tool called Cyd, C-Y-D, it stands for Claw Back Your Data. And this will automatically delete your posts, your likes, your direct messages, and your retweets. There are other tools that will help you do this. I had a really good experience using Cyd on a personal Twitter account. It still takes a long time, though: For an account with 70,000 posts, it took about three and a half hours to get through. CAIRA: Oh, wow. MAX: Just the posts. CHRISTINE: Max, did it feel weird to remove images and personal journal entries, and all these deeply personal things that many of us share parts of ourselves on social media? I'm wondering: Watching you yourself disappear from these places, what did that feel like? MAX: It was awful. I can only say how it felt for me. I don't know what other people would experience, but at first it was really fun, because it was like, 'Oh, look at all this stuff, it's just flying by.' You see it for a second. It's like watching your life flash before your eyes. But then I took in, like, oh, every time something appears there, it's being deleted. So like, 'Oh, look, there's a picture of my wedding, and it's gone' and 'Oh, there's a picture of my pet rat, Johanna, gone.' And it starts to add up after a while. It starts to feel pretty bad. Whatever urges were there to share my life and connect with people like that … it hurt, that, a little bit. CAIRA: I had no problem deleting my Facebook account. MAX: And it's so different for everyone. I was agonizing over the tagged photos on Facebook. I'm talking to my spouse about that, and they're like, 'Oh, I deleted those years ago. Tags are stupid. What's your problem?' I don't know what my … I know what my problems are, but everyone's going to respond to it differently. And I do want to underline that sometimes it's painful, sometimes it's liberating. It's going to be a different experience, and I think that's also going to inform how you go about that. I would be lying if I said that the reason why I didn't delete all these accounts was because of privacy and control reasons. Some of it was just hard for me personally. CAIRA: Okay, Max. So let's talk about this last bucket. It's about tackling public records. And this does, I will admit, sound very boring, but it also does sound important. So what should people absolutely know about online public records that have their info? MAX: So removing public records is really difficult, because the existence of their record is usually required by law. For example, real estate purchases, voter registration, some court proceedings, stuff like that. And there's very rare exceptions for when that can be changed. So New York state, we have certain laws that say that if you are a survivor of domestic abuse, then you can have public records either redacted or removed. And that's true in other places, as well. But if you just don't want that information out there, you don't really have any means available to do that. And that's why it might be best to just see what's available in your state, and perhaps there's some options that are available for you. You will have to do some of that on your own. CHRISTINE: You cover some of that in your piece that just published. MAX: Yeah, you can read about my experiences doing that. CHRISTINE: Great. So Max, before we move on, I just want to make sure that these last two areas that we talked about, social media and public records, that we have the CliffsNotes for people at home if they're interested in doing this. So give us the very, very simplified version: For social media, what are the steps? MAX: For deleting your social media information, deleting the account is the fastest and easiest way to go about doing that. What I did, removing the data and then keeping the account alive, is much harder. So everyone's going to have to make a choice about that. And then when it comes to public records, just be aware that it's very difficult to get that information removed. Finding it can be an educational process for what's out there about you, and it's also an opportunity to engage with your community and find out what rules and laws are available for you. CAIRA: Before we wrap, we usually ask our guests one final question: What's the last thing you bought that you've really loved? MAX: The Kobo Libra Colour. It's an e-reader, and I'm a sucker for E Ink. CHRISTINE: So why do you like this better than a Kindle? MAX: I broke up with Amazon many, many years ago. CHRISTINE: Ooh, okay, good for you. CAIRA: Good for you. MAX: I like a lot of things about Kobo. The direct integration with my library is really nice. I can have that delivered directly there. I also just like how they look, I like how they work. CHRISTINE: Well, thank you so much, Max. I feel like I learned a ton this episode. CAIRA: Yeah. MAX: Thank you. Happy to be here. CHRISTINE: Caira, do you feel intimidated by this list of things that you need to go out and do now? CAIRA: Okay, I'm going to be honest. I haven't even done the things from the last data and security thing that we talked about, like getting a password manager. CHRISTINE: Well, you just have more things to add to your list, then. CAIRA: Yay. CHRISTINE: What was your biggest takeaway? CAIRA: One of the biggest things that I really learned is that a lot of the information that I was so proud to have about myself online, people are making money off of that. CHRISTINE: Yeah. CAIRA: So that's not great. Don't love it. And there's also just so much more information that I do not want on the internet. CHRISTINE: Right. CAIRA: So to that end, I think I'm going to try using Google's Results About You tool, because I do have Delete Me, and it should be culling some of that information that I don't want on the internet. But I don't want to rely just on that; I should be doing my own research, too. CHRISTINE: Yeah, I feel like when it comes to all this data-privacy and security stuff, I get a little intimidated, and just I freeze up, and I don't do anything. And so I think I really need to just pay attention. And I think the first thing I'm going to do is, I'm going to go to that site Have I Been Pwned, which is … what is that name? It's a ridiculous name. CAIRA: You wouldn't get it. CHRISTINE: I'm too old. But I am going to go to that site and see what data-privacy breaches my information has been involved with, to just get a lay of the land. CAIRA: I like it. CHRISTINE: So if listeners at home want to find out more about Wirecutter's coverage, or if you want to check out any of the products that we talked about or to read about Max's journey or any of these other data-privacy pieces that we had come out this week, go to or you can find some links in our show notes. That's it for us this week. Next week, Rosie will be back. Thank you so much for listening. Bye. CAIRA: Bye. CAIRA: The Wirecutter Show is executive produced by Rosie Guerin and produced by Abigail Keel. Engineering support from Maddy Masiello and Nick Pitman. Today's episode was mixed by Catherine Anderson. Original music by Dan Powell, Marion Lozano, Elisheba Ittoop, and Diane Wong. Wirecutter's deputy publisher is Cliff Levy. Ben Frumin is Wirecutter's editor-in-chief. I'm Caira Blackwell. CHRISTINE: I'm Christine Cyr Clisset. Thanks for listening. CAIRA: And you have to be my accountabilibuddy. CHRISTINE: Your accountability buddy? Yeah, I will totally — CAIRA: Accountabilibuddy, Christine. You got to make it one word.
Business Insider
16-07-2025
- General
- Business Insider
'Gen Z stare'? Millennials, your boomer trauma is showing.
Just when I thought the millennial-Gen Z alliance had reached a zenith, the "Gen Z stare" debate was born. The " Gen Z stare" is supposedly the blank look Gen Zers give when they're asked a question or faced with a situation they don't know how to respond to. Most of the debate hinges on Gen Zers working customer service roles, like hostessing at restaurants or taking orders at coffee shops. I'm skeptical that the "Gen Z stare" is even real (though maybe I'm biased, since I am a Gen Zer), but let's suppose that it is. There are plenty of possible explanations for this gap in manners that my cohort is supposedly showing. Moreover, it's ironic that millennials are diagnosing their Gen Z counterparts in much the same way boomers diagnosed and pathologized them. Millennials, are you sure you're not just becoming your parents? It's not me — it's society! We've been called the loneliest generation, the anxious generation, and the most rejected generation. Our workplace habits have been picked apart by boomers, Gen Xers, and millennials we work with, whether it's the clothes we wear, the things we talk about, or even the words we use. So maybe the "Gen Z stare" is just a problem of your own making, dear elder coworkers. If we know you're going to pick apart our response anyway, why wouldn't we pause to make sure we're saying the right thing? We're also a generation that's used to being surveilled, thanks to social media. If it's true that the "Gen Z stare" is a product of our chronic online-ness, we should ask in response: Who set that system up? Who put the phones in our hands and made it so hard to turn away, such that we're struggling to form human connections? I'm not talking about our parents, but about the older tech founders whose contributions have bred those unpleasant side effects — founders like Mark Zuckerberg, a millennial. Besides, there are other reasons beyond our control for why we're underequipped with soft skills. Those of us who were in college during the pandemic worked through remote classes, internships, and other virtual gigs. Our first in-person roles were the jobs we landed right after graduation; we didn't have the opportunity to build up professional etiquette before that. God forbid we're a little shy. Gen Zers are also facing high unemployment and underemployment, which means we're working jobs that don't require our degrees. Even computer science grads, who were told that their area of study was a surefire path to financial stability during their teen and early adult years, are struggling to get jobs as the tech career ladder folds up. Can you blame your 22-year-old barista for not being thrilled about working a café job right out of college? Let's unite the youth I don't want to therapy-speak too much — as I know my cohort is wont to do — but perhaps this is an instance of millennials inflicting their own boomer-bred trauma upon the generation below them. It wasn't so long ago that your own boomer coworkers complained about your supposed softness, entitlement, and avocado toast spending habits. Poking a little fun across generations and hand-wringing about the youth is nothing new. But hey, punching down isn't the answer. As it happens, younger people — and that includes you, millennials — can do pretty impressive things when we're united. As a bloc, we have the power to create recession-resistant market sectors and challenge workplace norms. We're pretty aligned on wanting our workplaces to treat us like people instead of cogs. There is some truth mixed into the "Gen Z stare" debate about my generation's lack of social wares, but that didn't happen in a vacuum. Boomers couldn't comprehend the harder hand you'd been dealt when you were our age, either. Gen Z deserves a little slack here. Don't get me started on Gen Alpha, though.
