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20-07-2025
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‘Paradise' Boss on How Their End-of-the-World Research Sets Up Season 2
[This story contains spoilers from season one of .] By now, everyone should be caught up on Paradise. More from The Hollywood Reporter Emmys Nominations Snubs: 'Squid Game' Shut Out, 'Handmaid's Tale' Only Lands One Nod - Uzo Aduba Surprises Emmys: HBO and Max Score Most Nominations, Apple Takes a Big Bite 'The Last of Us' Season 2 Just Scored a Bunch of Emmy Nominations After becoming a runaway streaming hit when it launched on Hulu in early 2025, the Dan Fogelman-created post-apocalyptic drama then became a linear hit when ABC re-aired the season weekly in the spring. Now, for the trifecta, the Sterling K. Brown-starring saga just picked up four Emmy nominations this week, landing more nods in top categories than even awards experts predicted. Safe to say, Paradise is a hit and people are watching. The Hollywood Reporter previously spoke with executive producer John Hoberg, who wrote the groundbreaking seventh episode, 'The Day.' That penultimate episode of season one flashed back in time to reveal to viewers what exactly happened on the day of the extinction-level event that preceded the beginning of the series. Paradise viewers had been imagining how the show's world ended ever since the twisty premiere. But nothing prepared them for how current it would feel when it was revealed. Paradise opened in a post-apocalyptic world, where 25,000 people were saved from some sort of catastrophic climate event that nearly wiped out civilization. That event, we find out in episode seven, was from a super volcano erupting in the arctic, shattering the ice shelf, melting trillions of gallons of water and triggered a tsunami traveling 600 miles per hour with a wave as high as 300 feet. The coastal cities were wiped out first and global devastation followed. The president, played by James Marsden, and his hand-picked survivors were the only ones who escaped — to the underground bunker-society called Paradise. 'Imagine writing it, it destroyed me for a month,' Hoberg recalled to The Hollywood Reporter about his experience of penning the propulsive hour, which was directed by Glenn Ficarra and John Requa. Read our chat below on all the research that went into 'The Day' and how it informs season two, which is now filming in Los Angeles. *** How did you get to be the lucky one to write this episode? Well, I'm an EP with Dan [Fogelman] so I'm in the room. I was either going to write the second-to-last or the last episode. I will tell you, it wasn't my experience writing on Galavant [the 2015 musical series created by Fogelman] that made them think I should do the end-of-the-world episode (laughs). But it had a lot to do with White House and the Air Force, and those are my obsessions. My wife [Kat Likkel] and I have always written together until this show; she wanted to write a novel and so I took this job with Dan. We have a place up in Solvang and she's like, 'I'm going to take 10 days and dive all the way in up there.' So basically, all I did for 10 straight days was just live in the feeling [of this episode]. It's such a minute-by-minute episode. I've never written this way where I just completely submersed myself in the experience. All season long, we had ideas about what happened, but it still didn't prepare me for what I saw. Good. Why did you place this episode as the penultimate one of the season? There are so many mysteries in Paradise, right? Always a new card turned over. We like to answer questions the whole time, because we don't want to frustrate an audience. So we hint at what happened, but don't say specifically. It's why Xavier [Brown] was so angry at Cal [Masden]. The show at its core is the mystery, and then tied around that mystery is, 'What happened out there? We know something cataclysmic happened, what is it?' We knew for Xavier's character that we wanted to hold that back, because you could tell he liked Cal. But something happened. If we had revealed much earlier [that Xavier blames Cal for his wife's death in the event], then we'd be giving up that mystery as well as the mystery what happened to the world. So it kept drifting. There was talk about it being the fifth episode at one point, but then it felt right that it would be the one before the end. So you finally have that mystery resolved, before getting into the murder-mystery resolve. you spoke to in order to research the end of the world, like the architect who designs cities who wrote you a 40-page dissertation, and experts on nuclear fallout and environmental catastrophe. He said you all were worried it might put you on government watch lists, because of what you were Googling. As far as we know, that didn't happen! Though I feel like my computer runs a little bit hotter than it needs to, so maybe they're in there now. (Laughs.) He did say that you are going to use a lot of that research in season two. How did you go about funneling all that into one hour of television, but also holding some of it back for season two? Stephen Markley, who's the novelist on the show, and Katie French, who was the story editor, were so helpful with the outline and helping to piece this whole thing together. It's a collaborative process when you break it out in the room. We have cards on the board and we're talking through everything. So by the time I was going to script, I felt very confident that I knew what the bigger pieces were. Then it was a matter of, 'What do you get rid of? What do you keep? How do you take something that might be a page of research and make it into a line, but sell it so that the audience feels it without having to be told what it is?' You prepare with a nice bunch of information and a plan before you even get in there. I understand you listened to recordings of similar tragic situations, like former President George W. Bush after 9/11 when he was on Air Force One, and after the Cuban Missile Crisis. How did all of that help inform the real-time reaction we saw in with President Cal Bradford (James Marsden) as the global tsunami was building? I have a grandfather who was an advisor to the Joint Chiefs of Staff who was there during the Cuban Missile Crisis. So as a kid, I was growing up around this Air Force colonel and a lot of his officer friends would come over for dinner parties. When they tell stories, you wouldn't hear national secrets, but you would hear about the tension and how personal issues that have nothing to do with the topics can get in the way of things. I tried to sprinkle some of that in, like when [in Paradise] the general is giving a briefing and the CIA guy keeps interrupting him; you can tell he's annoyed because clearly this guy does this all the time. Some of that was like a lifetime of research from being around an Air Force colonel that helped me feel the rhythms of what was going on, from hearing his stories about the Cuban Missile Crisis era. You filmed this episode with a propulsive pace, and without a lot of cuts. What were the longest scenes you filmed? John and Glenn, the directors, sat down and we talked about filming this almost as a play. Usually, you'll do a rehearsal and then people feel their blocking. If you think of the scene where Xavier's in the hallway and the secretary comes over to say, 'What do you know? What's going on?' Then suddenly, the vice president comes through and trips and stands up and you're in the room, and we go around the table. We shot that entire scene as a oner. We had it to keep that energy up — let's make these scenes so that we shoot them once without cutting, and then we'll do our coverage so we can pick stuff up. If you go back and watch that, there's 70 people involved! We actually let the studio know, 'You're going to see we're not rolling camera for a couple hours and that's because we're doing this process.' It was a ton of rehearsal and then shooting it was really fast, because everybody had it down. It was brilliant. It was their idea, and it was 100 percent right. Where was your White House set? We had the Oval office set, which I think was from 24. Sometimes you'll see evidence of where a set has been before. I worked on comedies a lot and every now and then there'd be an ancient room from I Love Lucy or Happy Days. So we had the Oval office and the area outside the Oval where the secretary sat. We built that next-door Oval office, the cabinet room, the hallway outside the cabinet room and the hallways that went the other way around the Oval. That was all on a sound stage. Then we went to a country club in Thousand Oaks that matched the feeling. It feels so grand, where Cal talks to the janitor in the big marble hallway. Then we shot the basement somewhere downtown. So it was all pieced together, which was a challenge of keeping up that same energy. The key is, you can't have the energy at a 10 in the first act. You have to have it build so when you're jumping all over the city to film, you can check in and keep up that intensity level. Xavier has this painful goodbye on the phone with his wife, Teri (Enuka Okuma), who he believes died in the event, and then he blows up at Cal over it in this flashback episode. Any notes or conversations with your main actors for those scenes? I was a mess writing that goodbye scene. You can't help but think about [your family]. The fact that my wife was up in Solvang and I'm down at home thinking, 'What if I got a call right now and this was it, and I knew it was it?' I remember adding that he could see the screen as the missile hit, and thinking, 'Fuck, he's going to have to watch his wife die while he's talking to her.' I was super emotional writing that. The other scene that was super emotional was Cal and Xavier fighting on the [airport] tarmac, where Cal is like, 'You know what to do' and Xavier is like, 'I don't know what to do.' Xavier, who always seems to know what to do, this is the only time he's ever said that, and you really get into his head. We shot that scene at Long Beach Airport; there's planes flying around and it's loud and chaotic, and there were so many extras. Everyone who wasn't on camera just stopped to watch, because it was that intense in person. The actors know they have it when they're looking over at me and John and Glenn at village and our eyes are glassy. It's like, 'Okay, they got it!' Let's talk about the nuclear football. How much of what Marsden explains was true… that there's a nuclear fail safe that can set the world's technology back 500 years? I don't know! I do know that my grandfather was at the Air Force when they were developing the football, and he had something to do with the football, and I will say that he would not divulge national secrets to me, but what he did say is the chilling thing that that thing can unilaterally launch a nuclear war. We did our research into what it is. And there's all this speculation, because really nobody knows — there are people who know, but it's not us. He was not awed by a lot. He fought in two wars and still had shrapnel that popped out of the top of his head every now and then. And he talked about that thing in a way that was like, 'There's something going on there that's bigger than I could possibly imagine.' While we were shooting this, there was a question about if some foreign government was testing an EMP [electromagnetic pulse] device in space. There's all this research that that was one of the early things they discovered and that there are EMP weapons, but the danger with an EMP is that if you light one off in Los Angeles, there are physical wires connecting things all around the world and you don't know where it's going. So it's a very dangerous thing and that got us to this idea of like, 'Well, if this is the last chance of survival, you wouldn't worry about what it might destroy.' But the answer is, I don't know. The flashback ends, and then we heard Sinatra's (Julianne Nicholson) version of what happened: That they avoided a nuclear holocaust, but their Paradise bunker still had the tech they needed. How much are we meant to ? Well, that's going to be a question for season two. Did it work? There seems to be some real evidence it worked, with this audio recording of Terry and other survivors. We've done a lot of research about what happens with an EMP, what it destroys. It basically can destroy most electronic things, but the most rudimentary things can be brought back. Like shortwave radio would probably be one of the first things that started to come back. Diesel engines are based on compression versus a spark. So people would know how to start to rebuild, and it seems there's evidence that people with know-how are starting to try to rebuild. If I had to guess based on what Sinatra said, not on any knowledge I have, she said it seems that it worked, at least partially. We witnessed a nuclear bomb go off and there seemed to be others that were hitting around the globe. But the question is: Did they all hit or was one of them averted, or was a handful of them averted? Well, this explains why there's no communication with the outside world, right? When they sent those four people out there, they didn't know anything. They didn't get their shortwave communications until they sent them out and put up their own shortwave to communicate with them. Then that's why Sinatra started hearing these radio signals. It seems like Cal should have been more suspicious of Sinatra earlier since he pushed that button on the nuclear football, which theoretically shut down every nuclear weapon in flight. Right. There's a power dynamic difference in episode seven when they're on the plane and he says to shoot Sinatra. Clearly between then and when we've met him [in present day], it shifted and he's lost that sense of power. So I think there were a lot of emotional things that went on between those people and everybody else in the time from when he pushed that button to when we meet up with him in Paradise world. Sinatra put Xavier in this ultimate blackmail situation, when she informed him that his wife is actually alive. How does this change him going into season two? On set, that was a scene where Sterling [as Xavier] had to put his weapon away, and he was wrestling with that. He was like, 'I would just fire the gun.' But John, our director, was like, 'You're Sterling K. Brown. Show us that on your face.' He told Sterling, 'Live in that, because that's what we've put you in. This impossible situation.' That to me was one of the most impressive moments of acting in the show, because you could feel him wrestle with that and then put his gun away. What happens when you've just tried to overthrow the government and you've succeeded, and now you have to back down? Dan told me about his three-season plan and that the end of season one would reveal enough to shift course so each season can be its own thing, but with the same characters. So, obviously the season one ending is setting up some . Would you say the finale raised a whole new set of questions to explore? One of the goals early on was that we wanted to make the viewing experience satisfying. That we're not just dangling things and then not answering them until the end of the season, or not answering at all. So you're going to get answers to what you want and then there are new questions raised. We were in a room breaking out [season two since before the official renewal] with this anticipation of, 'If goes well, you never know,' but we know where season two [ends]. Is there a reason you named the billionaire bunker project 'Versailles'? You always have a temporary name for something in the room. The librarian at one point, I made a joke that we should get Trent Reznor to play that, so that became a reference name. With Versailles, it sounded like a far away place where the rich would go, and there was a little bit of irony in that, so it sort of stuck. That it was a retreat for the billionaires, but also there's violence there, too. There were strange real-world parallels as the season was airing. Like how after President Donald Trump announced he wanted to declassify the JFK assassination files, had in an episode a line from James Marsden that the second he took office, he asked about the secrets: Bigfoot, JFK and aliens. It keeps happening on this show. When we first started talking about it, it was probably two and a half years ago. I remember feeling like, 'Are people going to buy that they're in a cave and there's a sky that looks real?' And then The Sphere [in Las Vegas] comes out and we talked to The Sphere people who said [Paradise] is based on 100 percent true science and you could do this. There were a bunch of things that keep mirroring reality. But for that particular one, I remember as a kid saying I want to run for president just so I can find out the secrets. That to me is the number one thing I would want day one as the president. Tell me everything. about how post-apocalyptic shows are usually in the far future, with zombies or something. But this show feels too close to tomorrow. Did it feel that way when filming? Yes. One of the things that was important for all of us is that the disaster wasn't one thing. It's a cascading series of events. This wave is going to kill all these people on the coasts, which is where a large percentage of the population is. But then it's going to black out the sky, and we did a lot of research into Krakatoa, which was a big explosive earthquake [in 1883]. That volcano actually had a sound wave that circled the globe eight times or something like that, a pressure wave. It was important for us that what happened in the show was real, but then also it's the human reaction and governmental reaction. So if the sky is blotted out, then one country would take a run for another country's resources to try to ensure their safety and before you know it, with all of our treaties, it would probably end in some kind of nuclear or regional war. That feels as real as it could possibly be, because the show is not just what happened. It's about how people react to what happened. That's where it gets messy. There are things that are going to happen naturally on the planet, but it's how we react to it that's so frightening. Amid global warming and climate change, this show tells us that the rich and the elite can survive. had a line about how the West Wing is stocked to feed those it could save for eternity. It who gets saved and who doesn't, which is interesting in this current moment in time. My grandfather had a tour in the Greenbrier Inn in West Virginia. You can now go tour it if you want, but it was the bunker to keep the government going in a nuclear war. The plan was that the government would all get on trains — all of Congress — but then you go in there and it's a bunker. They had a press room and hid the doors to close it off in plain sight. These bank vault doors. And my grandpa's job for a little was that he would be the person in charge of operations to get everybody in and out. But his job was then to close the door — and be on the other side of it. I visited that place and I've always thought about that. Who's in and who's out? He would have been like that guy who Xavier shoots on the side of the helicopter. Exactly! That realization of, 'Oh, you don't get to come in.' And he was fully aware of it. He said it was great during drills, because he wasn't in the bunker, he would get to stay at this fancy hotel. That part was nice. In reality, it wouldn't be nice. I grew up hearing this and my mom said when she was a teenager that he had the weight of the world on his shoulders because he was aware how real all this is. There are people who were doing everything to protect, and you can't protect everybody. The line has to go somewhere, and that's the crazy thing. Well, President Cal does the right thing in the end. He tells the truth. It creates chaos, but he tells the truth. We've been talking a lot lately about television capturing our current post-truth era. What do you hope people take away from President Bradford? I like that moment where he says that people are inherently decent. That's what he's seen, and he's speaking to all of us as like, 'Let's lean on our best version of ourselves.' You like to think that every president is going to wrestle with and tell the truth. Sometimes my guess is it's too dangerous to tell 100 percent of the truth. You have to hope that humanity comes through. Cal is playing someone who's got a big heart and really is trying to do the right thing, and even he got sucked into it. It took that interaction with that janitor to be like, 'This isn't right. I can't do this' to snap out of it. With any administration, it's like, when does the humanity of it make you make the decisions that are in the best interest of people? This is a fictional president. You don't even know what his party is, and we're trying to not make it about that. It's really about the people and the decisions being in power, what do you do? And the weight of power. But also, Xavier's wrestling with the same thing when he's lying to that secretary about being able to help her. It's healthy to explore that. It's easy to look at the people up above making selfish decisions. But then we put Xavier in that position, too. He's not telling 100 percent of the truth either. We wanted it to feel real and messy. What can you say about the murder-mystery reveal and how the season ended to set up season two? Having worked in comedies for so long, you don't have to worry about the mystery of it all. When I was first talking about this show with Dan, because this show has a little bit of This is Us in it, with its real heart, but also that apocalyptic thing like The Last of Us, my joke was that I started calling this show This Is the Last of Us. *** Paradise is now streaming on Hulu. Catch up on THR's season one coverage. Best of The Hollywood Reporter 'The Studio': 30 Famous Faces Who Play (a Version of) Themselves in the Hollywood-Based Series 22 of the Most Shocking Character Deaths in Television History A 'Star Wars' Timeline: All the Movies and TV Shows in the Franchise Solve the daily Crossword
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10-06-2025
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Dan Fogelman and team on the making of ‘Paradise': ‘It only works if you have talented people who you trust'
Coming up with a unique idea for a show is hard enough — bringing it to life is another challenge entirely. So when it came to making Hulu's Paradise a reality (or is it?), showrunner Dan Fogelman turned to his trusted team, many of whom he had worked with on This Is Us. Having that shorthand among his lieutenants — including executive producer John Hoberg, directors John Requa and Glenn Ficarra, composer Siddhartha Khosla, costume designer Sarah Bram, and make-up department head Zoe Hay — "it's everything," said Fogelman. "For me, speaking selfishly and personally, it allows me to focus on the more important part of my job, the part I'm good at, which is writing and editing and not worrying about how the show gets made. Because I know I have great people making it. As I've gotten further along in my career, I like giving my stuff to smart people to interpret it and see what they do with it." More from GoldDerby 'Thank you for dying': 'Squid Game' creator, cast share deeper meanings of hit Netflix series, reveal on-set flower ceremonies for 'killed' actors 'It's church with butt jokes': Kevin Smith looks back as 'Dogma' turns 25 Mariah Carey and Jamie Foxx steal the spotlight at 2025 BET Awards: Watch highlights and see the full winners list Here, those smart people reveal the inside secrets of the making of Paradise, from the biggest fights in the writers room to hiding the murderer in plain sight. Gold Derby: Dan, what was the mission you gave to the team to create the world of Paradise? Dan Fogelman: Almost everybody here worked with us on This Is Us, and John and Glenn and I have done multiple projects together. And so my thing is my job is done when I write the script, and then I turn it over to smarter people and say, 'Figure out how to make this thing.' We had a lot of conversations about how we were going to bury the secret at the end of the pilot. That was where a lot of attention went, and that involves every department here. The challenge was obviously obfuscating the world that you thought you were in versus the world you were [actually] in for 58 minutes of the pilot. And that was the biggest challenge, I think, of the entire undertaking. John Hoberg, how did you approach that with the scripts? John Hoberg: We have a great room of writers, and so there was so much discussion about it. How do you make this show post-apocalyptic, but also have this humanity in there? That was always in there, the flashing back and finding the heart and the origin where these people come from. There was always that goal of how do we dig deeper into these characters and find what motivates them. There was a lot of math, too — I can't tell you how much! You should see the writers room with the cards up [on the wall] trying to track a murder mystery, but also the emotional journey of all these characters. It was a lot of very passionate discussions with writers who really, really care about what fits into what pieces. Dan and John, what were some of the most passionate discussions? Fogelman: My God, we had so many debates! I always try and hire writers who don't just sit on their hands when they take issue with something. But they could also just send you in circles for days arguing and debating stuff. [We debated] any number of things, like the really technical stuff that lives underneath the show that we're really exploring in the second season right now, which is how the bunker is powered. There are conversations about geothermal and nuclear energy that boggle my brain — and I really kind of check out. Hoberg: If I hear the word 'systems level' one more time, I'm walking. Fogelman: And then it's just big picture questions like, 'Can we kill Billy Pace that quickly in the show?' which are more conceptual. There's the sci-fi conversations, and then there's the theoretical conversations about character. We only have eight episodes, and where are you going to choose to tell your story, who's getting back stories, which are worth it. I like to take our big ideas and move them all the way up to like a third, fourth, fifth episode and then where does that leave us. Hoberg: The killing of Billy, was something that caused, I think, the biggest fights in the room. I feel like Stephen Markley was about to walk out on that one. Fogelman: Yeah, that was a big one. John and Glenn, as directors, what tone did you want to set in the pilot that would then play off throughout the season that you could then revisit in the finale? John Requa: Well, they may have had a lot of discussions in the writer's room about this world, but they didn't have enough. So we said, let's have a hundred more. We had to design the world, we had 100 meetings about cars and that's not an exaggeration. I had a screaming match in our office with Steve Beers, the line producer, about what color the cars would be. Fogelman: There were lots of conversations with John about cars. Requa: It's the hardest part, but it was the best part. Building a world — what a thrill. Early on, we'd been hearing about the show for a while in different forms. The first time, I think, Dan, you were talking about it as like a movie about a Secret Service guy and a retired president. And then it evolved. So when we read the script, it was wow, this is a really big swing. That just was thrilling — terrifying but thrilling. Sarah, how did you approach building the world from a costume perspective, knowing that you were going to be dressing people for two different lives, the pre and post-apocalyptic world? Sarah Bram: If there's a word for how we went about that, it has to do with restraint. We thought through what clothing might be in the dome and how people might wear that clothing without making it too much of a story about like, my God, crazy apocalypse. It was about keeping humanity to it, so it doesn't just become a visual story about the insanity of this idea that people may live underneath the earth in a dome. So it was about keeping it something that people could really relate to. That meant being very true, but maybe with really good tailoring. Zoe, did people bring lipstick with them to the dome? Zoe Hay: We wanted to make sure that people had their creature comforts with them, that there would be things down there to make people feel better, to feel calm. Women and men would have those products available to them in a limited amount. We equated it to a CVS in 1984. Glenn Ficarra: Everybody brought something there, brought stuff there in bulk. It's stuff that you'll notice if you look hard enough, but the cars, they were just bought in bulk. It's only the billionaires who probably got all the good stuff stacked up in the basement. So you didn't have as many fights about lipstick as you did about cars? Fogelman: One of the things that's very cool about this show is that there was more big-picture thought than necessarily you're seeing at every moment on screen. Our department heads and our directors had rules of our world. We have Bibles and papers that were written on the kind of infrastructure politically of the world. You don't see all of it in every frame, but hopefully it has a subcutaneous effect on the entire thing because the people who were making it had a lot of thought behind everything. Hoberg: I remember hour-long conversations about what television programs did they let people watch down there? It never made it to air, but just every detail was discussed. Fogelman: There's a scene where the kids are listening to music in the library. And the thought behind it was if there was too much pop culture from before and not enough created down below, at a certain point it could devastate people because everything you're listening to and seeing is made by dead people ostensibly. And so the thought was that there was a certain amount of media in houses and in rooms and in programs. But if you wanted it, you sought it out at a special place in the library. You just see a kid listening to music in the library, in the listening section, and that's where Cal goes to make his final mixtape. Speaking of music, Sid, what themes did you want to evoke with your score? Siddhartha Khosla: I was just trying to make Glenn, John and Dan happy! The beauty of working with these guys is that they treat music like it's anything else we've just talked about, like discussing it early on before even shooting a frame of anything. Dan sent me a script and then I wrote this little melody off of that script. The guys seemed to like it, and then we spent several months trying to develop it together. John would send a text saying, 'Hey, can you write me a piece of music that feels like we are trapped and we can't escape?' I recorded violins and cellos and percussion and all sorts of other instruments and looped them and messed them up. I got to feel like I'm in a band again working with these guys. So that's always special. On most television and film, composers come in really late in the process. But getting to come in really early in the process allowed us to experiment. Not only had you worked with the crew before, but obviously also Sterling K. Brown. What did he bring to the role? Fogelman: Oh, he's awful. Terrible guy, terrible actor. [Laughs.] He's the best. I mean, he's such a force as an actor. I love him in this role. It's so different than what we had just done together for so long. And he's a tremendous leader on set. He leads with his infectious laughter. It's a fun place to go to work because the most famous, biggest force on the set is the world's nicest guy. And everybody follows that lead, so it's a real pleasure always coming to set when Sterling's there. There's never any tension. And he's so good at his job. It's very rare that you find somebody who's as good at their job who's also that nice and generous. So he makes it easy. John, how did you approach writing episode 107, which was such a complicated one with its multiple timelines? Hoberg: I was lucky that one came up for me — there's a batting order. I wanted that one so bad because it had everything that I love in it. It really was just trying to find little bits of humanity sprinkled throughout that so people aren't superheroes at all. There's a speech writer who's mad on the last day of the world that a callback in his speech is being cut. Someone's annoyed that the CIA is interrupting them in front of the president. I felt like finding those little moments of humanity help at least me ground how I felt as I was writing it. Like these are actually really people in this thing and they're all in over their head. Zoe, is there one look you're proudest of? Hay: I would have to say the librarian. That was such a challenge from the very beginning before we even started shooting, Dan asked us to do a test on him, and I think we came up with about maybe 20 different looks for him, different mustaches, beards, wigs, all kinds of stuff. And then we sort of settled on the few transitions that he had, but he's a tall guy and it's hard finding disguises for him where you could lose him in the crowd visually. I think we succeeded because I don't think anybody really spotted him. Fogelman: It was such a big part of it because he's in the first episode as the assassin and then he's living in plain sight as a different character throughout the entire series. If you start going, oh, it's the librarian, it ruins it. Occasionally a person would write on Reddit, I think they're in an underground bunker; once in a blue moon somebody would hit on something. But I don't think anybody ever saw him. We had a premiere screening months ago and his own mother and agent said, we just wish we could see one that you were in — and he goes, well, I was actually in that one. And his own family didn't realize that he was the guy that played the assassin after having watched the pilot. So that was very cool. because the whole thing would have fallen on its face if it hadn't worked. Was it always intended that it was going to be him? Fogelman: I didn't know who it was going to be at the very beginning when I wrote the pilot. But then right when we gathered the writers room, one of our writers said, I think it would be cool if it was someone hiding in plain sight. What if it was a librarian? And then we're like, how are we going to do that? Then we were casting with an eye on who could pull off the performance and also who could be malleable to what Zoe was going to do to him. Requa: Some faces aren't that hideable. There were so many conversations that ended with … 'and if this doesn't work, we're [screwed].' You really do like to write yourself into corners. Fogelman: Once in a while, I'll think to myself, God, it would be really nice to just write something linear. Ficarra: We always say that. What did you all learn from making the first season that you're bringing now to the second season? Ficarra: Cut the script down early. I still haven't learned. Hoberg: I haven't learned that. Fogelman: One of the things is, you learn by the response to show. And so obviously we end our first season with Sterling heading out into the world. And that was always part of the plan. But you start learning that people love our bunker and they love our cast down there and they love the dynamics of those folks. So for season two, we're going to be out sometimes with Sterling, but we're also going to make sure we live with the stuff people love in the bunker as well. And finding that balance. It was an exciting thing to discover that it's not just that people are tuning out when Sterling's not on camera on his A storyline. People love Sinatra and Sarah Shahi and Jon Beavers and James Marsden. They love all the storylines in the world that was created down below. Give me one word to describe Season 2. Fogelman: It's very ambitious. Hoberg: I was gonna say bigger. Requa: Subjective. Ficarra: Surprising. Khosla: It's incredibly cool. I've worked on the first couple already and it's awesome. This article and video are presented by Disney/Hulu. 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