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Are first ministers' meetings cool again?
Are first ministers' meetings cool again?

CBC

time22-07-2025

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Are first ministers' meetings cool again?

Social Sharing When Mark Carney sits down with the premiers in Huntsville, Ont., on Tuesday, it will be the third time in four months that he and the premiers have met face-to-face. Going back to the waning days of Justin Trudeau's premiership, Canada's first ministers will have now sat down together a total of four times already this year. That is, by recent standards, an unusual amount of time for the prime minister and the premiers to spend in each other's midst. In the last 35 years, such gatherings have been generally rare and, in fact, consciously avoided. But it's possible that the day of the first ministers' conference has come (again). After years of relative estrangement, Canada's leaders may need to get reacquainted, not simply for their own sake, but to reinforce a country that is faced with new threats and a new era of instability. Coming out of the shock of the pandemic and now amid both the profound disruption brought about by Trump's presidency and the emergence of new internal threats to Canada's federation, there have been calls to strengthen relations between the federal and provincial governments. Most concretely, that could include reviving the sort of summits that used to be commonplace. WATCH | What's on the agenda for Carney's Tuesday meeting?: U.S. tariffs, trade to top agenda when Carney meets with premiers 2 days ago Canada's premiers are gathering in Ontario for a three-day meeting to discuss U.S. tariffs, interprovincial trade barriers and infrastructure. Prime Minister Mark Carney, who has said a trade deal with the U.S. may involve accepting some export levies, will join the talks on Tuesday. Lori Turnbull, political science professor at Dalhousie University, weighs in. "We need systemic reform designed to foster trust, not just transaction," Jared Wesley, a political scientist at the University of Alberta, wrote in May. "This means re-introducing routine, rules-based intergovernmental relations, where leaders know they'll meet regularly, under shared agendas, with accountability built into the process​. "That starts with institutionalizing first ministers' meetings, moving them from sporadic events to annual fixtures with jointly determined priorities." In previous eras that would have been an unremarkable recommendation. The rise and fall of the first ministers' meeting According to a tally compiled by Alasdair Roberts, a Canadian professor of public policy at the University of Massachusetts Amherst, prime ministers and premiers met 25 times during the busy post-war period between 1945 and 1970. They then met 31 times between 1971 and 1992, a period highlighted by tumultuous negotiations over the Constitution. But as Roberts documents in The Adaptable Country, his 2024 treatise on the need for institutional reform in Canada, the fraught and exhausting negotiations of the '70s and '80s gave such meetings a bad name. And there followed a succession of prime ministers who were, either personally or politically, disinclined to meet the premiers as a group. Jean Chrétien met the premiers just four times in 10 years. Stephen Harper also convened the first ministers on just four occasions, two of which were dinner meetings. Trudeau came to office promising annual meetings, but ultimately convened only a handful (though he did hold regular video calls with the premiers during the pandemic). WATCH | Ford hails Saskatoon meeting: That different levels of government should communicate and collaborate as much as possible, particularly in a decentralized federation such as Canada, might seem fairly obvious. But the conventional political wisdom in Ottawa has come to be that, at least for prime ministers, meetings with the premiers as a group are to be avoided. A prime minister who wants to pursue an initiative that requires provincial agreement is better off, the thinking goes, dictating terms and negotiating with provincial governments individually — as the Trudeau government, for instance, did on child care, health care and school nutrition programs. Meanwhile, in the absence of regular meetings, the premiers have contented themselves with semi-regular demands that the prime minister meet with them to address some complaint about federal policy or demand for federal funding — thus reinforcing the accepted wisdom that the prime minister was better off avoiding them. Do we need an annual Canada summit? In The Adaptable Country, Roberts identifies three purposes to summits like first ministers' conferences. First, and most obviously, such meetings can lead to agreements on policy. But, Roberts writes, "equally important is the goal of demonstrating solidarity." "Leaders gather to show the world that they are committed to an alliance, even when they have sharp differences, and also to show they can talk civilly about those differences," he writes. Relatedly, such meetings can also allow for sharing information and perspectives, improving understanding and promoting co-ordinated action. Set against the long and torturous history of federal-provincial conflict in Canada — a tradition as old as the country itself — such expectations for first ministers' meetings might seem optimistic. But in making the case for an annual meeting of first ministers, Roberts points to the example of the G7. And while the future of that body has been called into question lately, Carney himself defended the value of those gatherings when he closed this year's summit in Kananaskis, Alta., last month. "At a time when multilateralism is under great strain … that we got together, that we agreed on a number of areas … that's important, that's valuable," the prime minister said. If the world benefits from such meetings — which have occurred every year since 1975, with the exception of 2020 — could Canada not benefit from its own regular summits? If first ministers' conferences had come to be associated with acrimony, that might have had much to do with the subject matter — namely, the Constitution. And while avoiding such meetings might have been the politically expedient thing for a prime minister to do, there might be less freedom to aim for mere expediency these days. That Carney will have met the premiers face-to-face three times already might suggest he is more inclined toward working through these kinds of gatherings. But all these meetings have been prompted by the need to respond to an immediate crisis — the American president's tariffs. What Roberts envisions is an annual summit — including Indigenous leadership — that would focus not on hammering out agreements on specific initiatives, but would, like a G7, aim more broadly. It would help drive and focus a longer-term discussion about the direction of the country at a time of incredible change (a royal commission would be another option). Because what Canada is faced with now is not a short-term crisis — and Roberts fears the Carney government is still framing Canada's current situation as a temporary challenge. "What we need is a conversation to get everybody on the same page, so far as we can, about what the country is going to look like a generation from now," he says. "I'm not thinking of that Canada summit as a mechanism for handling some agreement about, you know, interprovincial trade barriers. I'm talking about it as a planning event, something with the kind of scale and gravitas of the G7 because that will focus national attention on long-term priorities." There is no shortage of big and serious things to talk about and figure out right now. And in the interests of figuring them out, the nation's leaders might do themselves — and the country — some good by simply sitting around the table on a regular basis to talk about them.

What to expect from the first ministers' conference in Saskatoon
What to expect from the first ministers' conference in Saskatoon

CBC

time02-06-2025

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What to expect from the first ministers' conference in Saskatoon

Social Sharing When premiers from across the country gather with Prime Minister Mark Carney on Monday in Saskatoon, it will be a historic day for the province. It will be just the second time a first ministers' conference has been held in Saskatchewan and the first time in Saskatoon. After a throne speech that was heavy on symbolism and touched on economics and sovereignty, one expert says there is no doubt Carney will want the agenda to be focused on the threat of tariffs. "When you're in a conflict with the United States, it helps to have kind of broad national unity, to have the backing of a wide range of different regions," said Daniel Westlake, an assistant professor of political studies at the University of Saskatchewan. Westlake believes Carney and Saskatchewan Premier Scott Moe will view this event as politically beneficial — Carney can use the conference as an opportunity to extend an olive branch to a Western Canada that felt aggrieved with his predecessor. Moe can tout the federal government as being attentive to the province's needs. WATCH | What the Sask. government wants from Prime Minister Mark Carney: What the Sask. government wants from Prime Minister Mark Carney 18 days ago Duration 1:45 While the choice of Saskatchewan as the location for the meeting stands out — these conferences are normally held in Ottawa — Westlake doesn't believe the core conversations will change because of that. "At the end of the day, the prime minister and each of the premiers are each going to have their agenda, and they're going to talk what they want to talk about," he said. Monday's meetings will give Carney a chance to have an in-person meeting with every premier — something he may not have had the opportunity to do since first being sworn in as prime minister in March. Westlake believes the benefit to getting everyone in the same room is that it can get everyone on the same page. "I think especially with the times that we're going into, there's a lot of value in the prime minister and the premiers building a good rapport and building good relationships," he said. There will be plenty for the premiers and the prime minister to talk about, including developing a common strategy to deal with American tariffs, said Westlake. However, he's doubtful there will be a serious policy announcement emerging from Monday's meeting. "They have important stuff to talk about. I'm just not sure it's the stuff that yields large scale agreements," he said. Resetting the Sask.-Ottawa relationship Moe spent this spring's eight-week legislative sitting dealing with the threat of tariffs and a late push on the topic of western separatism. While the province did not build tariff contingencies into its budget, Moe has made it clear he believes the path forward is to create new economic opportunities within Canada or internationally. Prime Minister Carney welcomes U.S. court decision striking down some Trump tariffs 4 days ago Duration 1:02 "I don't know that I have ever seen such a economic opportunity available and lying at the feet before Canadians than I do today," Moe said on Thursday. Last month, the Saskatchewan premier called for a "reset" on the relationship between Ottawa and Saskatchewan, by releasing a list of 10 changes he believes Ottawa "must make." Moe's demands included: The immediate launch of negotiations with China in order to remove tariffs on agricultural food products, a reference to the 100 per cent tariff China has placed on Canadian canola oil and peas. The end to a number of federal policies meant to lower carbon emissions, such as the industrial carbon tax and clean electricity regulations. Changes to the Criminal Code to address bail reform and the introduction of harsher penalties to combat "new street drugs." Expansion of pipeline capacity across Canada and the opening of rail and port capacity. Reduction of federal "red tape" in order to streamline federal approval of infrastructure projects and reduce "infringement" into provincial jurisdiction Moe confirmed last month that he would raise those issues at the first ministers' meeting in Saskatoon. But with a federal government that appears to be tightly focused on tariffs and the economy, Westlake doesn't believe there will be any serious desire to move on the concerns raised by Saskatchewan. However, he does think there will be a desire for Ottawa to not alienate Saskatchewan. "They probably want to show that they've listened. Scott Moe will want to show that he's voiced these views to the prime minister, and so there's probably grounds for a conversation there," said Westlake.

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