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Where Have Men Gone? We're Right Here.

Where Have Men Gone? We're Right Here.

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In her June 20 Modern Love essay, 'Men, Where Have You Gone? Please Come Back,' Rachel Drucker lamented an absence of men in the dating arena. At a restaurant with a longtime male friend, she noticed that hardly any men were out with women, a retreat from intimacy she already had observed elsewhere in public and in her personal life. Why, she wondered, are so many men no longer showing up for relationships?
Rachel brought professional insight to the issue, having worked at Playboy for more than a decade, where she learned about the monetization of men's desire, what drew them in and kept them coming back. 'It wasn't intimacy,' she writes. 'It wasn't mutuality. It was access to stimulation — clean, fast and frictionless.'
Her essay led to an extraordinary amount of reader email, nearly all from men. Here is a selection, edited for length and clarity.
Rachel Drucker's essay captures a real and painful longing — for presence, reciprocity and emotional connection. But if men are retreating, it's not out of indifference. It's often out of exhaustion and confusion.
Dating today places enormous and conflicting demands on men. We're still expected to pay for dates, take the lead and demonstrate confidence — while also being emotionally available, deferential and self-aware. The goal posts shift constantly, and women's expectations are often unstated or contradictory.
Emotional openness in men is encouraged in theory but penalized in practice. And the risk of being misjudged, misquoted or shamed online makes genuine vulnerability feel dangerous. Many of us want connection, but not at the cost of constant anxiety about saying or doing the wrong thing.
If we're to 'come back,' as the essay pleads, it has to be to a space of mutual grace and clarity. The new normal hasn't been defined yet. We need to create it together.
Jonathan Stowe
Charlottesville, Va.
Perhaps men and women are in a holding pattern, and we don't know what's next. But as a white, urban, married father of two late teen boys, I can say it's an increasingly daunting task to meet the ever-changing expectations of what a man should be. According to women but, more important, according to ourselves and our self worth.
No one should feel sorry for us — but nor should they complain when we become introspective and quietly check our guts when deciding how to proceed.
Morgan Clark
Studio City, Calif.
I think what's going on is that for the past 10-20 years, men and boys have been marginalized, probably in response to women being marginalized before that. It feels like punishment but for something that current men never did, at least not consciously or intentionally. Everything in the culture says: women good, men bad.
What I think Ms. Drucker is asking for is leadership and confidence in men. But we've been told that those are toxic traits. So, here we are.
Justin Hornburg
Bloomfield, Mich.
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The Biggest Obstacle To Repairing a Parent and Adult-Child Relationship, Psychologist Says originally appeared on Parade. Preparing for a baby, having a newborn and then raising a child are big milestones. There are so many books on what to expect with you're expecting, and now there are tons of child psychologists available on social media to help you navigate parenting your child. But what a lot of people don't talk about is what happens after the child turns 18 and is ready to leave the nest. 'I have to honestly say that while we have an entire industry and culture around becoming parents, no one really talks about how incredibly painful, challenging and also exciting it is when our children no longer need us in the same way they did when they were young,' Dr. Kim Sage, PsyD, MA, a licensed clinical psychologist in California, tells Parade. As she points out, there are a lot of emotions—some conflicting—when your child becomes an adult and your relationship is required to change. 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She explains that she has seen 'incredible healing' in her line of work, but she's also seen 'pain that will never be validated,' and there's a lot of 'real work' to be done on both sides. This inability to change or understand where their kids are coming from can also be linked to parents who are emotionally immature or who have untreated issues such as narcissism, NPD and more. Any parent, but especially those in these camps, can find it very difficult to hear they 'didn't get it right at times,' Dr. Sage says. These feelings act as 'facts' to them that 'supersede their ability to look at themselves in an open and honest light.' 'So instead, they defend, invalidate, blame, punish or gaslight their adult children,' she continues. 'They lack self-awareness, and it's just too painful. 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The 50-Year-Old Iowa State Fair Recipe My Family Will Never Stop Making
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