Adapt or collapse – can we meet the moment of environmental peril
It might be the defining question we face as a society, and the panellists from this WOMADelaide Festival discussion are throwing everything they've got at this intractable issue, drawing on knowledge from the oldest continuing culture in the world and the fields of architecture, urban planning and of course, community organising to avoid collapse.
This episode was recorded live at the annual 2025 WOMADelaide festival, produced and presented as part of their Planet Talks program, held on the traditional lands of the Kuarna people.
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Bhiamie Williamson
Leader of the National Indigenous Disaster Resilience research program and a senior lecturer at Monash University
Elizabeth Mossop
Dean of the UTS School of Design, Architecture and Building
Emma Bacon
Founder and Executive Director of Sweltering Cities
Julia Lester
Former ABC journalist and broadcaster (host)
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News Grab: It's the early morning vista that Sydneysiders have become accustomed to. Thick smoke from the bushfires enveloping the city. The air quality index peaked at North Parramatta and Macquarie Park, ten points higher than Beijing. We Belinda Smith: often hear about places with bad air quality, both here and overseas. News Grab: Toxic particulates in Delhi's air measured over 700 micrograms on a scale where an annual average above 5 is deemed unsafe. Belinda Smith: But what about where the air is, well, not just clean, but cleaner than anywhere else on earth? Well, it turns out that air can be found blowing onto the north-west tip of Tassie at a place called Kennaook/Cape Grim. There, you'll find an air pollution station, which, along with a bunch of similar facilities around the world, has quietly been keeping track of how we humans have been changing the make up of our atmosphere. And it's been doing this for nearly 50 years. So what can we learn from the world's cleanest air? Hi, I'm Belinda Smith, and you're listening to Lab Notes, the show that dissects the science behind new discoveries and current events. To explain what's going on at Kennaook/Cape Grim, is Ruhi Humphries, an atmospheric scientist at the CSIRO. So why is it important to collect this data? Ruhi Humphries: You could very easily ask, it's super clean, why do we care? But if you're going on a diet, you need to know your before weight, so you can figure out your after weight and how much you've lost. And for climate change, if we want to understand our impact, and thus how to mitigate that effectively, we need to know what the atmosphere looks like without that pollution. Belinda Smith: This station's been measuring the air for nearly 50 years now. What's so important about all that historical data? Ruhi Humphries: Ideally, we'd build a time machine and we'd go back to the early 1800s, before the Industrial Revolution, and measure the atmosphere there. And we can kind of do that with ice cores, with some components, but with many components we can't do that. And so we have to find a location on the planet which is as clean as possible, without human influence as possible, so that we can really define that pristine baseline really well, so then we can understand what the impact of humans is, and thus how to mitigate for it. Belinda Smith: That pristine baseline is measured in a place that cops winds straight off the Southern Ocean. And being there, unsurprisingly, it's... Ruhi Humphries: remote and windy. I was looking at the data this morning, actually, and the wind speeds for the last 24 hours have been a minimum of 60km an hour. Oh, wow. Just Belinda Smith: a breeze, really. Yeah, Ruhi Humphries: yeah. Belinda Smith: What does the air feel like when it goes into your lungs when you're standing there? Ruhi Humphries: It gets pushed in, because it's so windy. But, yeah, it's just clean marine air. It's salty and doesn't smell like much, really, other than salt. Belinda Smith: How do you know this air is the cleanest in the world? How do you measure that? Ruhi Humphries: Same way you measure the dirty air, but you just have to have really sensitive instruments. Belinda Smith: And Kennaook/Cape Grim gets a thing called the baseline sector from the southwest winds. Ruhi Humphries: That's air that's come off the Southern Ocean and really hasn't touched land or had human influence for weeks, and a lot of the time has come off the Antarctic continent as well. So it's super clean, super pristine. Belinda Smith: What sorts of things do you measure? Ruhi Humphries: Your standard MET package, wind direction, temperature, that kind of stuff. But the main focus is really atmospheric composition, so what gases are there and what particles are there. So we've got greenhouse gas measurements, carbon dioxide, methane, nitrous oxide, that kind of stuff. We take flask measurements for CFCs and other long-lived fluorocarbons. Belinda Smith: So they're things that can destroy ozone. Ruhi Humphries: Exactly, yep. We do reactive gases like ozone, so ozone in the troposphere, so the part of the atmosphere where we live, rather than the stratosphere, which is where ozone's really good in the stratosphere, protects all life from UV. In the troposphere, it's a pollutant, and so you really need to measure it. Belinda Smith: So 50 years ago, when Kennaook/Cape Grim, was identified as a primo posse to keep tabs on the atmosphere, an ex-NASA monitoring station, which was basically a very large caravan, was set up at the site to begin collecting data. Now there's a proper building and everything, so the facility has changed a bit. But more importantly, how has the air changed over that time? Ruhi Humphries: There at Cape Grim, we've seen a 20% increase in a lot of the greenhouse gases around the world. 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Looking back there were signs from early in the relationship, like him being jealous, controlling how long I should wear my hair, or him driving off dangerously during an argument. I used to think the first time he was physically abusive was the first time he was abusive. But I now realise that I had been scared of him and his reactions many times before that, and that was a huge red flag. — Rachel, 40s, Tasmania He was always wanting to be in control of where I was. He would be turning up at locations like where I was working, or if I was out with a girlfriend. He was always wanting to be with me. At the start you think it's amazing this person is so into you and wanting to spend every moment of the day with you. Really, they were early signs of love bombing, isolation and control. — Charlotte, 50s, Tasmania Source: The University of Melbourne study It's always easier in hindsight with these things, because it's so subtle. It can appear benign. Those early signs can come across as caring gestures, or concern, or even love. There was constant messages and phone calls. I just thought it was over-excitement about the relationship. I thought it would settle down with time. But it became obsessive and escalated to full-on stalking. — Hannah, 50s, Melbourne/Naarm I met him on a night out and the relationship escalated very quickly. It was quicker than I felt comfortable with, but he didn't respond well to me putting the brakes on in any way, and responded by sulking and withdrawing. He told me many lies, which led me to believe that he was a really similar person to me. He mirrored things that I told him about me. It soon became clear that many of these things were gross exaggerations, at the very least. He was extremely jealous of my male friends. If I spoke about them or ex-partners, he would be competitive, often making up things about himself to make himself sound better than them. — Carrie, 40s, Tasmania One time, I noticed that he was not happy that I was having a conversation with a man that was working for us. He fired him the next day. He didn't like it if I was not at home when he came home from work. His demeanour would change dramatically, and it would take days for him to get over it. In social settings, he would always talk over the top of me and shape the conversation around himself. I could feel myself disappearing into the background whenever he was around. It was impossible to have a rational discussion with him about anything to do with our relationship. He was always the victim somehow. He could never bring himself to say sorry, no matter how big or small the issue. He was threatened whenever I had some form of personal success and was totally incapable of acknowledging my efforts or being happy for me. — Susie, 50s, Tasmania He was so attentive. Rushing into saying "I love you". The grand gestures. Every Tuesday he would bring me a gift. He started rewarding me with treats and food. Looking back that was a thing for him to control my weight, to get me fat. My self-confidence plummeted. There was extreme jealousy. He'd make it seem like because he loved me so much, he didn't want me to be around anybody else. — Sarah, 40s, Tasmania There was pressure soon into the relationship for exclusive commitment. Wanting me to move in with him soon after we became a couple. He'd constantly check on me, turning up at my place without prior notice and daily interrogations: where I'd been, who I saw. Couching his behaviours under the guise of being so in love he wanted to spend most of his time with me. His psychological abuse was a form of manipulation where he assigned responsibility on me to make him happy — to dress as he suggested and to converse on topics he was interested in only. — Deborah, 60s, Tasmania We'd like to thank all the victim-survivors who generously shared their experiences with us. Examples provided at the beginning of this article from The University of Melbourne research have been shared with permission from the study's authors.
