Novelist Katie Kitamura: ‘As Trump tries to take away everything I love, it's never been clearer that writing matters'

The Guardian

12-04-2025

Some years ago, Katie Kitamura came upon a headline that read something like: 'A stranger told me I was his mother.' The headline gripped her, but she never clicked through to the article. She imagined the story would offer some explanation – perhaps the author had given up a child for adoption, for instance. 'I was much more interested in not having a concrete answer but just exploring the situation itself,' she tells me. 'I'm intrigued by the idea that you could be very settled in your life … and something could happen that could overturn everything that you understand about yourself and your place in the world.'
The headline provided the inspiration for Kitamura's fifth novel, Audition, a beguiling and unsettling book that opens with a meeting between an unnamed actor and a handsome college student, Xavier, who claims he is her son. As the story unfolds, the truth of their entanglement becomes ever harder to discern – is he a liar or a fantasist, or is she mad?
Audition deliberately sets itself apart from the recent spate of popular novels – such as Rachel Yoder's Nightbitch or Claire Kilroy's Soldier Sailor – that explore the viscerality and intensity of early motherhood. Kitamura wanted to write something that was 'temperature wise, on the opposite pole', a novel more concerned with maternal separation, the unavoidable and necessary estrangement that occurs as children grow up and away from their parents. Her fiction has always been interested in the moments when you look at a person you know well and they appear to you as a stranger, and it occurred to her that this happens often between parents and their children. Her own children, aged 12 and eight, are 'very surprising creatures', she says, and she marvels at how rapidly their relationship, and her experience of motherhood, changes as they change. When she speaks to friends whose grown-up children have moved back home, they tell her it's 'like living with a stranger'. 'You do not recognise large swathes of their personality and their way of being in the world,' she says. 'Talking with people, it doesn't seem like it's a reconstitution of the old family unit. It feels like a reorganisation of the family.'
In Kitamura's books, the female protagonists are so reserved that they are often accused of being cold or arrogant, but she herself is disarmingly warm and unassuming. 'Is it OK if I get a cookie too?' she asks when we first meet, at a coffee shop in Brooklyn, New York. She is dressed elegantly, in a slouchy suit and big sunglasses, and she laughs a lot, generally at herself. At one point, she tells me that when a family friend said she was excited to read her book, Kitamura's daughter challenged her. 'She doesn't have a book coming out,' her daughter insisted, 'I've never seen her write!' 'And that,' Kitamura says, 'feels like a very accurate description of my life.'
'There's something very interesting about being a parent, because suddenly there is another person in the world who is telling you who you are to them. And that is, in a lot of ways, the most important identity that you have, but it is somehow othered. I know very much that the person my children think I am is not the person I always feel myself to be – that crack in being, or experience, is something I wanted to explore.' The actor in Audition struggles to piece together the different parts of herself, her overlapping roles, on stage and in real life, as an artist, a wife and possibly a mother. Kitamura can relate. 'Sometimes I feel like a teacher or a writer or a friend or a daughter or a wife or a mother, and there's something that does feel a bit incommensurate about those parts,' she says.
She is married to the British novelist Hari Kunzru. Kunzru writes faster than her, she tells me, and he is better at sitting down to work after the children are in bed, or writing in 45-minute snatches during the day. Ah, I say, is that because of your role in the family: are you the one carrying the household's mental load? But it isn't. 'My friend said something like, 'Who does all the playdates and who books the appointments with the dentists?' – and Hari does all that,' she says, laughing. He also does all the cooking.
Do they ever get jealous of one another, I ask, now openly stirring. No, she replies, because they write such different books: his are big and multistranded, hers are more compacted. Then she leans forward and says: 'What does happen is one of us will have an idea and we'll say to the other, 'That's something you should write'.' Her manner is confessional, as though this weren't the opposite of what jealous people would do. They are each other's first editors and always undertake a final read of one another's work before submission. On a day-to-day basis, Kitamura says, she appreciates her husband as the unloader of dishwasher and purchaser of laundry detergent, and then she'll read his new book and think: 'This is smart! You've had all this going on in your head as well!'
In light of her family dynamic, it's interesting that her female characters in novels such as Intimacies and A Separation are often married to writers but themselves work as interpreters, translators or actors – mediums for other people's messages. Kitamura says she is uncomfortable with the idea of being a writer and sees her own role as closer to interpreting, to channelling other people's voices. The women she writes about are often passive in their professional and personal lives, which she believes is true to life. 'Who of us has that much agency? I mean, what kind of a fantasy world are we living in? We have the illusion of agency,' she says. 'I'm interested in passivity in part because it's the condition most of us live in. But I'm also interested in passivity because it is itself a kind of action.' She's fascinated by the point at which passivity becomes complicity. Her characters often find themselves in ethically unsustainable positions: working for institutions they disapprove of, for instance, or accepting an inheritance although it isn't rightfully theirs.
We meet in late February, and it seems everyone I've passed today in New York has been discussing politics. Kitamura has not been sleeping well. She never sleeps well during a Trump presidency, she half jokes. She teaches on New York University's graduate creative writing programme and says that the day after the 2024 election her students asked her what the point was of fiction: did they not have an obligation to resist Trump more directly? She had struggled with that question herself in 2016, but the second Trump administration has been so extreme that she can now see with greater clarity the urgent importance of writing, art and education. This is, she says, 'in part because they are being targeted so fiercely, but also because [Trump and his allies] are trying to take away everything I love and care about. It's never been clearer to me that writing actually does matter. It's not a frivolous or useless task.'
In an immediate way, she continues, writers are well placed to respond to Trump's attacks on language, the obfuscation and doublespeak, the moral panic over pronouns or the renaming of the Gulf of Mexico. More broadly, fiction can act as an antidote to authoritarianism. If authoritarianism thrives when people are isolated, fiction brings people together, she says. 'In the most basic way, writing is about opening yourself to another person's mind. The most intimate thing I do on a daily basis is pick up a book and open myself to another person.' And, while the Trump administration may be forcing one way of life on the world, fiction's job is, as always, to remind people that there are 'other ways of being'.
Before Kitamura wanted to be a writer, she wanted to be a ballerina. She was raised in California, where her parents had moved from Japan for her father's job as a professor of engineering at the University of California. Throughout school, she left class at noon to dance, and she planned to go professional. But she got injured and says that was 'the nail in the coffin' because it was becoming clear that she wasn't quite good enough to make it. Having never thought she'd go to college, she won a place at Princeton University, where she studied English. Kitamura sees similarities between dance and writing. Both require discipline: 'It's doing the same thing over and over again, reworking and reworking.' It strikes me too that if ballerinas excel at masking the pain and physical effort required for their art, Kitamura's writing shows similar restraint and contrast, between the streamlined, exacting prose and its roiling undercurrents.
In 1999, after Princeton, Kitamura moved to the UK to study for a PhD in literature at the London Consortium. She worked part time at the Institute of Contemporary Arts (where she met Kunzru) in the early 00s, and found London's art and cultural scene vibrant and exciting. 'People were taking incredible risks with their work, and that was interesting to see,' she recalls. In 2009, she published her first novel, The Longshot, about a mixed martial arts fighter preparing for his comeback match. She has retained a keen interest in performance, 'both the pressures and incredible freedom of it'. In Audition, the actor believes that 'a performance existed in the space between the work and the audience' and Kitamura believes the same to be true of books. She wanted Audition to be open to multiple, mutually exclusive interpretations, so that a reader could form their own conclusions. She's curious about what it may say about a reader that they settle for one reading over another, concluding ultimately that the 'son', Xavier, is a con artist, perhaps, or that the actor is a 'bad' mother.
Audition forms a loose trilogy with her two preceding books, A Separation and Intimacies, novels that similarly have a keen eye for the sinister, for the subtle and yet threatening shifts in power between people, for the moments when closeness becomes dangerous or suffocating. 'We have such a tendency to think of intimacy as something desirable, something we seek out with other people,' she says, 'but it can also be an imposition.' In Audition, the narrator is almost pathologically attuned to the power renegotiations in the family. The person who is most desired holds the upper hand, the actor observes. Money also shapes how the characters relate to one another, sometimes in unexpected ways: at points, characters try to buy power, but their generosity only weakens them, exposing the extent of their need.
Kitamura says she is both fascinated and horrified by the occasions when she has exerted power over her children. 'Those moments make me very uncomfortable. It's really simple things, like when you send them to their room or you lose your temper, or when they are little, you pick them up against their will. It's really a brutal exertion of power over another person, but it's also just parenting,' she says, revealing her ability to identify the disquieting elements in everyday interactions. At the same time, she observes, parenthood can make you feel powerless. She often feels powerless to protect her children from the world.
She has already started on her next novel, which she says will be very different from her previous books. She checks herself: 'Well, it's not a maximalist … it's a difference that will be significant to me and nobody else.' She is itching to write, but there's the book tour, her teaching and, of course, family life. Like any working parent, the fact that she has so little time to herself, so little solitude, could make her unhappy, but she's come to accept that 'work comes from the mess of life', creativity doesn't come from a vacuum. 'I have to write from the middle of my life, that's all I can do,' she says. 'I'm not going to wait for a decade to pass until I have more time.'
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