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Goldman Sachs' Jan Hatzius: Jobs headline numbers overstate strength of report

Goldman Sachs' Jan Hatzius: Jobs headline numbers overstate strength of report

CNBC03-07-2025
Jan Hatzius, Goldman Sachs global chief economist, joins CNBC's 'Squawk on the Street' to discuss outlooks on the latest jobs report, macro expectations, and more.
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